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UK racing to resume on/before 1st June.
UK racing to resume on/before 1st June.
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I don't think even boris can be the same man he was then foxy , close encounter with corona and a new baby can change a man I imagine
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I always thought that was obvious Willie, the question has always been whether the mental and economic cost of lockdown was warranted for a virus that seems to have a very low mortality rate (%wise, my heart does go out to the people that have died from it, but people die everyday...). If someone said that there was only a 50% chance that a vaccine could be created and you'd find out the result in 2021, would you keep the lockdown?
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Hello, markets get momentum for whatever reason but i'd be amazed if the yes price went that low again in the next fortnight. After that the Gov will decide about further restrictions and then the market adjusts. Given we are are 33 days away from June 1st the market priced as you'd expect imo
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i said to a m8 other day..obv purely hypothetical..if there was a neon sign in the bigg market in newcastle on sat night..we have tested 10,000 men with an std...9,900 have been found and cleared with medication but there are still 100 unaccounted for...how many std's in 12mths time?
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saddo • April 29, 2020 9:18 PM BST
My mate is off to NEP headquarters tomorrow, they want some of the SKY football OB trucks ready for early June. ---------- I do hate it when people post an acronym - without any reference to what it stands for - and ASSUME that everybody else knows full well what they mean by ... "NEP" (Some) Others may do - I don't  National Exhibition * ? Northern * *? * English * ? * * Premier ? |
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North East Pennsylvania
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Does that mean you can never have sex in Newcastle Willie, until condoms are maybe created in 12 months time?
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Anything above 1.6 is a cracking price ,racing will be back by 1st June
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currently 1.9 (for pennies)
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As far as I’ve seen information wise that may change things, BHA meeting today and will put a statement out regarding an update, bit strange timing for any good info though as the latest Government discussions with major sports about restarting health wise etc happen tomorrow.
I also believe Varadker will update Ireland tomorrow regarding their restrictions maybe being slightly lifted if at all in preparation for their lockdown review |
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I still think there will be huge pressure to get something done about completing the football season. They will need to get games on by early June if they are to get it done so that may help get racing off the mark.
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huge pressure as in you cant even get 20 epl chairmen to agree it has to be completed,sky tv doesn't equal huge pressure
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Sorry onlooker, ya misery
 https://www.nepgroup.com/broadcast-services/mobile-units-ob-trucks |
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Maybe you are right and I am just guilty of wishful thinking. All NHS indicators are that we are over the peak already. I can't see why the 1st of June is any issue at all for behind doors racing. Deaths down, patients in beds down, patients in critical beds down, A&E at only 67% of this time last year. I thought the lock down was to support the NHS!!!
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the peak we've hit (and i agree with you in that we've hit a plateau) is the peak whilst lockdown measures are in place, i don't think that's the same as a peak without lockdown, so smoothing the curve has worked but it means we'll have a similar number of cases spread over a longer time frame, easing measures will change that curve profile and how and what they list will be based on managing that curve to stay below a certain level until perhaps as far as the autumn
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lift*
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The point is Elise the curve was far lower than expected. It didn't even get close to breaching NHS capacity. Fair enough maybe airing on the side of caution was the right thing to do initially but we shouldn't be scaremongering about increasing infections down the road. They are obviously going to happen but surely all those that are more vulnerable to the virus will have plans to maintain a decent level of isolation for the foreseeable future?
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Would have been the Guineas/Kentucky Derby this weekend.
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is the curve lower? there were 20-100k deaths being muted in the early days, we've hit more than the lower figure already, I think whatever the curve was predicted at in feb/mar it's now a moving target, they'll react as much to actuals rather than just predictions from here on
I suppose a simpler question is how many cases and how many deaths would we have right now without a lockdown? Is it unrealistic to think more that double or maybe it could be 4 or 5 times more (using whatever R number they are working on) and whilst we'd have definitely then hit a peak we'd have massively overstretched nha and plenty may have died that ciould have been saved we may never know |
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hi jm, at least they put a date in for the kd that they might hit
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Morning Elise, hope you're keeping well.
Yep, the KY Derby works OK on that date with Keeneland September round the corner. Wonder what will happen to the prep races such as the Blue Grass, Santa Anita Derby, Florida Derby etc.? |
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No you are wrong. Lowering the curve was to ensure that the NHS had capacity to treat those that needed it. As I said we aired on the side of caution with a lock down. There are 10's of thousands of empty NHS beds and the curve for the critical beds (its a flat line) has not come anywhere near NHS capacity so we don't need this level of lock down- no where near it. Further all vulnerable people should now have an isolation strategy in place where they didn't before, that's their responsibility. Guessing what it could have been without lock down is a pointless game because no one will know. What we need to do is end the lock down while keeping an eye on activity in the NHS.
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which bit is wrong?
the reason for lockdown was because many of those beds that are currently empty didn't exist when this kicked off, the lockdown bought the time to build nightingales, had they had no lockdown the number of cases would have hit earlier and crippled the nhs |
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and re ending the lockdown, we need to end it for the economy and they will, but they won't just turn it off in one hit
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no idea johnny, some of the states have had the continuation of racing, depends on each governor and ongoing view of cases v economy, the west coast looks more dodgy currently re resumption
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Good morning everyone as jm pointed out it should have been the Guineas this weekend decent weather forecast and no doubt the usual great racing
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The bit about the curve being a moving target. Its so low it doesn't matter. Its a red herring (at least it is now, I agree initially it may have been a concern). All those beds did exist, they were easily vacated.
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Morning Foxy, hope you're keeping well too.
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I was referring to if cases rise once lockdown is eased, so that it then becomes a measure which will change their thinking, the possibility of any easing of restrictions being reversed, or future easing being delayed
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off to walk a dog
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Day by day changes and the markets for racing to go ahead for June, July and Ascot have been all over the place.
I have bet Ascot not to go ahead at 1.49 on 14 April. Two days ago this price was hitting even money and is currently now 1.44 on the exchange. I was not concerned by the large drift. For me it is likely that the hubs will get up and running first even before the prestigious meetings are even thought about. So Ascot at 1.44 not to go ahead is buying money for me. |
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Good thread this.. I agree that they have definitely taken a very cautious approach. Can’t blame them for that with an unknown virus.. however as pointed out, NHS capacity has not been anywhere exceeded, even without the new hospitals. The public need to take responsibility for themselves if in a high risk or vulnerable group and isolate for the foreseeable. At the same time they do need to allow those not at such risk to return to work and start earning again. Without the taxpayers getting back to work.. there will not be an NHS in the near future. They cannot keep printing money..,,
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Fine jm I know racing isn’t everything but reality is setting in now ,punchestown,Newmarket,Chester,york,Epsom,royal ascot,eclipse,July meeting,goodwood,york,and the french and Irish classics all look highly likely to be run behind closed doors if run at all.
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nhs hasn't been over run beause they bought up private hospital wards,turned operating theatres into icu wards,closed down 80% of normal beds,refused to take people in from carehomes,released people still testing positive back in to carehomes,community and had the bonus of having mosty dead bodies in Europe not blocking beds up, all during a lockdown,take the lockdown off,try sending old people to hospital,open up the hospital to the 80% of people who havnt been turning up for normal checks,treatments and the nhs would have been crushed,
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^ I need a ventilator after reading that. Try more punctuation.
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your okay handjobs got plenty of spare ones
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to put it simply hancock is celebrating nhs still having capacity, but we wanted to cope/manage without having the worst death rate in europe
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Absolutely not true firstimeposter. The NHS has had 10's of thousands of empty beds all through March. It didn't need any of the extra capacity it acquired. Obviously they weren't to know this a couple of months ago but now they do and we need to move forward appropriately. I hope my punctuation was ok JM.
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they wouldn't have been empty if some of the 20,000 who look like they've died outside of hospital were put inside hospital, when they new before the off that the elderly were those most effected not hard to have spare capacity, when you let 20,000 of them die outside of hospital
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