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in running liquidity worst iv ever seen it
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wrote it about 4 minutes ago gerard...
i thought cheltenham 2019 would be the end of the road... things steadied for a while but the decline over the summer leads me to believe that if we get to cheltenham 2020 we'll be doing well... no doubt a few will say i'm being too negative (and that's fine)... but i'm only giving an honest opinion... and the future is certainly not bright. |
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about the only time you get half decent liquidity is with a photo or stewards these days...
which makes it utterly brainless when Betfair refuses to re-open the market for a photo finish (especially when it's a tricky angle)... just tells you even Betfair has given up now... |
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you would not play on a poker site full of automated bots, therefore is should be no different on an exchange. unless its people v people then its just gonna die a slow death.
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Many yrs ago betfair did not have a 1 sec delay in-running and it played much better and was more enjoyable to use. removing the 1 second delay for a while to test would be my advice to betfair, otherwise its curtains for the in-running horse market in a couple yrs.
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Betfair supposedly did a survey not that long ago about removing the 1 second delay and supposedly 'we' said we didn't want the 1 second delay removed...
i have yet to hear of anyone who was asked... you work it out... |
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@dixi
"Many yrs ago betfair did not have a 1 sec delay in-running" How long ago was that? My understanding (and I have only been on here for 10 years) was there was always a delay in-running. @Happy Me neither - I'd very much like to see zero-second delay IR for Racing |
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its not like the 1 sec delay protects the users as you cant cancel your bet . Just in place so the betfair bot can rape us all.
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Betfair supposedly did a survey not that long ago about removing the 1 second delay and supposedly 'we' said we didn't want the 1 second delay removed...
the question was asked on the forum by betfair themselves. 99% of people said remove it . apparently and as far as i remember what i was told was that bot users would not be happy with the delay being removed so betfair left it . you have to think that this is probably a handful of bot users that are creating most of the liquidity in running and are far more important ( in betfairs eyes ) than the rest of us |
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nail hit on head pablo....
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nail hit on head also big n0b...
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@pablo I guess you could be right
@dixi - what's this "betfair bot"? People keep referring to it and no-one will say what it is. |
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cross matcher, and its implementation was when the delay was introduced if I remember correctly
I remember it being sold as the device to match more of the open bets across other options, but I think most think its capricious since when its turned off the markets are much better |
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betfair,s cross matching software bot needs the 1 sec delay to be able to function
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ that may well be Betfair's view DE... or shall i say that's what Betfair may well tell US... but i'm not convinced of that at all... |
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@dixi
"cross matching software bot needs the 1 sec delay to be able to function" Sory dixi, but that's clearly not true - you can observe the cross-matcher in action on pre-play markets with no delay. (by-the-by, I don't think thinking of the cross-mtahcer as a "bot" is a useful way to understand it. But maybe that's me). And "rape us all" is a pretty extreme way to describe what the cross-matcher does - how do you think it 'rapes' you? |
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an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation...
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the bot is doing the damage..not the cross matcher.
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if the cross matching does not need the 1 sec, then why have the delay ? its maybe one option betfair have to do something to improve the in-running game. they should at least have a trial run without the delay
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if the cross matching does not need the 1 sec, then why have the delay ?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- maybe coz they want some other things to not be subjected to the 1 sec delay...??? just a guess on my part... |
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1 sec for a sophisticated computer to calculate algorithms..seems fair
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What about a level playing field?
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How can you ever have a `level playing field' in an area like `live' betting.
Those who pull up the substantial costs and get off their arses to attend the event will always have an edge and rightly so. |
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Having refrained from IR other than putting up insurance on bets the liquidity is dictated as much as the oncourse books are allowed via the big entities and having a huge effect on SPs?
Here is where we can and do profit,in case of any doubt against the digitals.Anyone who thinks this is still peer to peer should try swimming from Brittannia pier to Brighton and being sponsored at 1p per mile and being laid on the way by a bot. Pier to Pier............the only ones making any money are Steve and very few others in this digitalis age,they desrve the reward for the risk and long term they will prosper as there numbers diminish. One second in the IR market is a lifetime and if you rely on a BOT.......more fool you? |
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Typing over you CC and not my field but you hit a home run.
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i konkerr with the captain..
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There will also be have an advantage on others for all sorts of reasons but there should be no reason to have massive advantages built in (such as Sky racing TV pictures being a decade(a little exaggeration) behind live.
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What drivel from capt
Essentially saying cheating is justified as long as you pay for the privilege and go to great lengths to do it. |
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its dire again today betfair might as well shut down the in running on the ponies its over unless you is on track
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Those who pull up the substantial costs and get off their arses to attend the event will always have an edge and rightly so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and what about those wonderful human beings who help old grannies across the road on a daily basis (otherwise known as $**** of the earth types who would gladly rob their granny of their pension book money) who buy illicit pictures which no doubt goes to very suspect individuals fuelling the black market economy... is it 'rightly so' that these people have 'an edge' also...??? no doubt a few of the lowlifes who do it will say yes... |
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its the track players and the facetime thats killed off the liquidity with some help from the pc charge as well, a level field and it would of never been like it is now
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The vast majority on facetime are no better than haf a second ahead ov live video on sky racing tracks
and just a little over half a second of rtv live video. I know people that have facetime and only use it for the irish. They have facetime at rtv and sky tracks but the gap is that minimal they just use live video instead as the picture is far better. Trust me the facetime bar Ireland isn't that much of an advantage unless youre a select few top of the tree. Home pics have never been better bar atr red button many moons ago. There was also 230k matched that last race at southwell in play, 330k pre race, 560 total. 230k not bad imo. Ayr race 7f 240k pre race, 115k in play, 355k total. So over half the money matched is inplay. They inplay matched figures aint bad, it's the pre race that's way down imo. The game has got harder because the players have got better and the mug money is far less. There could be improvements ofc with speed and liquidity, but all this game finished is nonsense imo, it's just harder than it once was. The fittest will survive Just adding a bit of reality to the thread. Still plenty to be had chaps |
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422k pre race sedge, 646k total, 224k in play
again 224k in play for a 2 mile race on a cold Tuesday afternoon race at sedgfield not bad. Pre race way down as of few years ago, in running going by they figures, holding up |
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220k down to the x matcher ...
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Xmatcher nothing new, been there for years, feels like years anyway
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@Delta
"220k down to the x matcher" That sounds unlikely if not mathematically impossible - but would it be a bad thing if it were true? |
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250k matched in play 2m4 race there at sedgfield.
Some might argue it's getting better! |