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By:
flukes
When: 09 Dec 18 07:13
Nice post flash bookie
By:
Lampus
When: 09 Dec 18 07:26
Good  morning ANDREW and all  Happy
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 08:18
Good morning Lampus and all,

I met up with my brother last night so a free day today with only a little Christmas shopping in London later. No excuses if i don't post a lay today although i haven't seen the cards yet.

TheAnorak,

Thank you for the video link, i'll take a look during a buffet breakfast that will be on-going until hotel staff say 'enough is enough' Laugh

Lucky,

I saw your PM and will respond later. I use the old classic forum so i don't know immediately when i receive them (good you mentioned it) although i do switch to the new one to check on occasions.

Burkey,

Correct, plenty of quality time with my daughter although I will keep in touch with the racing world via SL, RP and ATR as i can access the sites over there, but i doubt i will be backing anything unless Altior runs in the KG. I can always contact my brother if i want a bet.

Flash bookie,

Many thanks for the kind comments, much appreciated.

It was a good hour or so of racing chat with both of you and watching your MO. Did you see the test PM ?
By:
Lucky Luciano
When: 09 Dec 18 09:40
Hi Andrew
Good but no need for a reply if you're busy
Christmas shopping all yours Laugh
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 13:25
Hi Guys,

I'm going to give it a miss today, not due to time constraints (as often) but simply due to the fact i can't see a stand out lay and i had a good look earlier.

I came close to selecting Xpo Universel in the 1.35 Kelso and if my recent strike rate had been better i would have taken the risk and posted it.

A poor record in general he has at least won 2 from 23 over hurdles in 2018, but looking at the form, although he won easily by 12L last week he was receiving a lot of weight from the placed horses (28 lb and 14 lb respectively) and it was heavy going that often extenuates winning distances. Up with the pace from the off and most didn't get into the race. He was also receiving 18 lb and 15 lb in his previous win (by 1.25L) on good to soft. Up 7 lb today and it's a tricky little handicap with a few unexposed.

Against layers is excellent form of the trainer and jockey, additionally Rebecca has improved him recently (allowing for a couple of patchy runs) so anyone wishing to lay should bear this is mind.

Good luck whatever you play.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 09 Dec 18 13:27
Andrew in Sweden    09 Dec 18 10:36 
Apple's Shakira  5/2 yesterday, carrying 11st 12lb on heavy going in a listed handicap was a silly price.

yet no lay..Cry
By:
Lampus
When: 09 Dec 18 13:27
Thank you ANDREW Happy

Have a lovely day
By:
Deltâ
When: 09 Dec 18 13:29
XPO UNIVERSEL sprang a surprise and, in the process, recorded only his second career success in 75 starts, of which 23 have been over hurdles. In a race in which it paid to be up with the pace, he readily put his stamp on proceedings and there appeared to be no fluke whatsoever about his victory. He seemed to relish the ground.

QUOTES: Xpo Universel has form on heavy ground and when the rain came we weren't worried. We worked backwards from this target, making sure we got qualified and giving him a little break before today. I was surprised with the price he was, but it was one of the more competitive of the finals. He's not the easiest horse to ride and Aaron [Anderson] has given him a peach - Rebecca Menzies, trainer.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 13:29
(28 lb and 13 lb respectively)
By:
Deltâ
When: 09 Dec 18 13:32
learn to read Willie


A good day for me although i wish Apple's Shakira has been 5/2 before i left my hotel (i layed at 4.30 and 4.40) as i would have posted it as the lay today.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 09 Dec 18 13:33
tvm
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 13:34
Willie Shafter.
   
09 Dec 18 13:27 
Andrew in Sweden    09 Dec 18 10:36 
Apple's Shakira  5/2 yesterday, carrying 11st 12lb on heavy going in a listed handicap was a silly price.

yet no lay.


Willie, i stated at 09.59 yesterday i was going to lay it, and did so at 4.30 and 4.40 on here before i went to Sandown but couldn't use it on this thread due to the odds at the time. Once i was there i didn't bother with Betfair but even told Ed and Brian it was the best lay on the card.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 13:36
Delta,

Thanks for both posts.

I haven't layed Xpo.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 09 Dec 18 13:38
how much did u lay andrew?
By:
Deltâ
When: 09 Dec 18 13:40
good swerve
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 13:56
Delta,

It couldn't have won any easier, but it was a risk, hence the swerve.

Willie,

Only to win £115.

Although i thought it was a good lay (even at 4.40) my primary reason for going to Sandown was to back Altior (wouldn't have gone if a NR) and i had to consider IF Apples had won my profit was significantly reduced if i had layed for a bigger stake.

I could have had more on Altior (and i had a good few quid with Ed and on here) in this case of course, but you know as well as i do that chasing losses isn't always a good option.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 09 Dec 18 14:04
you'd have to respect a henderson horse who was a solid 5/2 chance that it would run a big race..it didnt but something obv amiss.
By:
cardenden
When: 09 Dec 18 14:38

Dec 9, 2018 -- 1:27PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


Andrew in Sweden    09 Dec 18 10:36  Apple's Shakira  5/2 yesterday, carrying 11st 12lb on heavy going in a listed handicap was a silly price.yet no lay..


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thick as 2 planks

By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Dec 18 16:04
Willie,

you'd have to respect a henderson horse who was a solid 5/2 chance that it would run a big race..it didnt but something obv amiss.

Generally you would be correct about a NH 5/2, but was something also amiss in her two previous runs at 6/5f and 13/8f before yesterday. 

She may win more races but look at her form lines, are they so good ? In my opinion she's over-rated as i posted on Marts thread, but if she wins a grade 1 race in future i will post that i was wrong about her. 

Assuming she's fine you will have another chance to see her in a Ascot handicap on 22nd.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 09 Dec 18 16:35
AIS, ISEEYOU HAVE RETIRED DIV 3 NAPSWhoops
By:
Knight Commander
When: 09 Dec 18 16:36
He's going to be incommunicado for a few weeks DB.

(That's in the Far East BTW Laugh)
By:
deadbrain59
When: 09 Dec 18 16:48
I wondered where it wasMischief
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 10 Dec 18 07:57
Good morning Guys,

My last lay on this thread and i'm determined to post one given i've missed a few days recently. I'll have a look over breakfast.

Incommunicado is about 160 kms east of Jakarta Wink
By:
domino14
When: 10 Dec 18 08:08
What's the current Balance ?
By:
Trusty
When: 10 Dec 18 09:00
traineroutofformlay 1.00 Lingfield Coded Message Case's current record is Since win jumps: 34 runs 90 days; reading the form not sure that this beast should be less than 3/1; all the others running for you, no real rank outsiders. Also he has never had a winner at LIngfield.
By:
happysandwich
When: 10 Dec 18 09:01
Good morning Andrew, Lampus and all the rest who are looking forward to their Christmas box today from Andrew.

So no pressure there. Laugh
By:
Deltâ
When: 10 Dec 18 09:03
can somewon pop round and see if Lampus is OK this morning ..
By:
Trusty
When: 10 Dec 18 09:05
Meant to put currently 1.95/1.96.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 10 Dec 18 09:40
Lay Post

My last lay post on this thread and hopefully one that rewards Lampus with sufficient holly topped pasties for the festive season. Having said that i wlll point out my selection is more tentative than confident and readers are aware my laying form is very patchy at the moment.

A very short reasoning as i need to do some last minute typical Christmas fayre shopping before making my way across London to the city airport after lunch. 

Musselburgh 1.15 - Special Prep

Average maiden hurdle form (4 races) and won a 24f handicap off a mark of 112 at Southwell in October 2017.

Didn't run until September, made his chase debut (off 122) over 24f (again at Southwell) and was 3rd of 4, beaten 22L. Was a bit keen and didn't jump that well but maybe the run could be forgiven. The outsider was 250/1 and tailed off

Finished 8th/13 beaten 27L (off 121) over 19.5f at Market Rasen LTO although 3 were PU. Was hard ridden from some way out.

Down to 118 today but still 6lb higher than his winning mark.

In my opinion he hasn't really taken to chasing although he's lightly raced of course.

A 3 horse race although only 4 lb separates the field.

Wolfcatcher is the rightful favorite and My Charity is not out of it although he did fall at the first on chase debut. Ran well behind Secret Investor (form is well franked since). I wouldn't bet anything in the race, but if forced it would be the latter, taking the risk the fall hasn't affected his confidence. 

Good luck.

Lay @ 3.25

10-Dec-18
08:46:07    13:15 Musselburgh
Special Prep - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:147656193474 | Matched: 10-Dec-18 08:46:07    Lay    3.25    50.00    112.50
50.00
Matched
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 10 Dec 18 10:04
Trusty,

Good luck with your lay.
By:
Lucky Luciano
When: 10 Dec 18 10:09
Andrew,
GL today
Tks for reply Cool
By:
Lampus
When: 10 Dec 18 10:27
Many Thanks  ANDREW  Happy

Enjoy your break

Happy  Boxing Day  to you and family
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 10 Dec 18 10:38
andrew with respect,apples was beaten 6L off a horse now rated 150,her h/cap mark of 140 ish is about right,which left her well capable of winning the race on sat..but as we know she ran deplorable,doesnt distract from the fact the form was there to win it.
By:
AllinR1
When: 10 Dec 18 10:41
Although I am a reader than a contributor to this thread, I want to say well done on making a profit Andrew. Posters like Domino14 know just how hard it is to make this game pay.

Given the extra scrutiny and attention you have brought on yourself due to being so suçessful on your previous thread, matching that achievement was always a big ask.

I'm willing to bet, that with this experience behind you, the next threads success will be more in line with your previous.

Good luck with today's lay and Merry Xmas etc.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 10 Dec 18 11:03
Willie,

With the same respect, i understand what you're implying, but at the time of that race Farclas ran off 140, Apple's Shakira was receiving 7 lb (filly allowance) and was beaten over 6L. She's regressed since.

As i previously stated she may win again in future. She's not particularly big, was carrying 11 st 12 lb on heavy going and i feel her mark is over-rated anyway. In my opinion, at 5/2 she was totally under-priced on Saturday and i thought she was a good lay but i've already mentioned reasons why i only layed her to win £115 (at higher odds than SP).

She's entered in a decent handicap on 22nd so you will have another chance to see her. Let's just agree to disagree and good luck. Happy

AllinR1,

Many thanks for the kind comments and likewise have a wonderful Xmas and a happy 2019.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 10 Dec 18 11:33
one of the worst h chase class 4 ive ever seen.i would have layed the fav gl
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 10 Dec 18 11:34
Hi Guys,

When i started this thread the target was to beat my previous record of 55/66 and profit of £1657, or if not, at least better the run of 14/14 because i felt i made a few poor selections then and described them in the summary on the last day.

I failed miserably with the first two, although i got close with the latter, the loser coming in the middle of a good run.

I admit and accept i also made quite a few poor choices on this thread, more so than last time. I started with 4 losers in the first 7 selections so i was playing catch up for a while, but catch up i did and at one stage was back on target with a good strike rate of 18/19.

I breached the £600 profit mark later on a couple of occasions and thought i would get to four figures, but unfortunately i hit a very patchy period (including 3 in a row that is a big take out) and one that has continued. I also posted quite a few proposed lays that got beat, but some that didn't.

I'm disappointed with the overall performance, but on a positive note at least the thread will end with profit (£425 or £262.50 depending on todays result). Not significant of course, but a profit nevertheless.

I plan to start a new thread at some stage after i return from Indonesia (arrival in London on 16th January) with exactly the same conditions, i.e. max odds of 5/2 (3.75 on here) with a matched lay to win £50 per day and a stated reasoning.

Having said that i'm not sure how i will stake it as i have to use the Betfair.se site with Svenska Kroner in 2019, not Betfair.com with sterling as i do at present. I guess i could use a exchange rate conversion but i'll think of something.

I also plan to be much more selective next time and if work get's in the way (as it does sometimes) there will probably be more void days.

I'm not even sure i can use my current profile ID on my return as it requires a log-in of course and i'm not aware if it's completely independent of my betting account as Betfair haven't responded to this yet. If it is, there shouldn't be an issue, but if not, i can create a clone, or one that's close enough.   

Many thanks to all that posted on the thread that has become a platform for those who actually want to discuss horse racing topics, albeit with a mixture of daily greetings, weather forecasts, directions to racecourses and even bread pudding recipes. Laugh

I will be posting up to around 16.30 (first flight at 17.05) then i'm away for 5 quality weeks with my daughter and some Asian sunshine. In the meantime i wish you and your loved ones a wonderful Christmas and a happy/healthy 2019.

Good luck.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 10 Dec 18 11:45
Enjoy your break Andrew, well done on running a successful thread .

  Good luck on your return also. Happy
By:
cardenden
When: 10 Dec 18 12:11
have a nice christmas andrew,,

ignore the BAW BAG  above
By:
cardenden
When: 10 Dec 18 12:11
not you glasgow
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