An opinion on Ryan Moore at Royal Ascot 2017
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I think you brought up some good talking points Cork, thank you.
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Best since Lester, lol.
I think he generally sits too far back as he thinks he is playing the percentages. ie he is on the best horse and is likely to pick them up whatever happens. If they go too quick, spot on if not my lad can still get there. As we see regularly this doesn't work out a lot of the time. Tactically inept, to say he is better than the likes of Fallon, Frankie, Kinane, Eddery is laughable. These guys could ride all types of races and rarely f**ked it up in the big ones. Today I would put him behind Smullen, Soumillion, and a few others. |
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Stayed out in the middle again tonight,most of the winners came up the stand rails,guys a joke imo.
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starkey dumped after dancing brave
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greedy will have a quiet week the racings crap
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Starkey must have been in his later 40s tbf.
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GS would have been 46 when he rode Dancing Brave, sad that he is always remembered for one ride, personally I prefer to recall some of the better moments like Star Appeal, Fair Salinia and Shirley Heights, people often overlook the fact he did the double in 78 of Oaks and Derby, not many have that on their CV
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he also won the Irish Oaks on Fair Salina in 78 if I remember corretly.
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Thought that was what I had said, apologies, should have added Anglo/Irish before the word double in previous post ie he won all four that year
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Moore looked near the same class as Piggott,Cauthen,Fallon who would be the best I have seen,but has now fallen down into the pack. I agree that the weight of racing is allowing mediocre jockeys to make a decent living these days but to tbf not as good a living as VERY mediocre footballers.
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Believe you will find that his appreciation of racing protocol and etiquette is not of the required standard expected by those who provide the riding opportunities higher up the scale
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Thought I would do a quick exercise to see if the numbers support the above, using a number of "old school" trainers from which I omitted Stoute and Hannon for obvious reasons, in the last five years the remaining trainers provided Moore with 233 mounts and de Sousa with just 97, which implies to me that there is some truth in it.
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What constitutes as the 'best jockey'?
Being in the correct position at the right time? Power in a finish? Difference between winning a short nut or losing a short nut? Judgement of pace? As far as being the best rider today, i would have Pat Smullen every day of the week. Moore does have some horror rides,[ Rhododendron, Order St George]. Gave Big Orange way too much rope when he was always going to be OOSG's biggest danger. Has horses too far back [when riding for AOB] when usually he is on the best horse. Why take that risk when he could be closer to the pace, and in a position to attack no matter what happens up front? |
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the best flat jockeys understand the importance of 2 things imo
1 going as close to even pace as possible for their horse (for even distribution of energy principles) and 2 they understand the balance between the benefit of saving ground by not going too wide but also the need to be in a position where you are not likely to be boxed in or hampered whilst also appreciating that there is a need for cover for some horses in some situations |
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neill most of it is in the public domain about SDS, think back to the time when he was with godolphin and he lost his job (ok he wasn't the 1st with them and certainly won't be the last
) but no smoke without fire, he's moved around quite a lot which is worryingI've read stories on here about him being booked to ride and doing the opposite of what a trainer/owner have asked, that's a sure fire way of p1ssing people off also he has that don't want to be here attitude in interviews which I don't like ok I know moore is like that and a few others but is moore like that with connections pretty obvious if you look at body language that he is not also you cited his riding style, yes I do think he is too hard (for the progression of a horse) great for on the day for a punter, low grade horse he wins on then next week he switches over to the horse that's fancied that week stable jockey jobs are about a lot more than just getting a win out of a horse |
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Best Jockey riding by a country mile.....Of Course he has his bad Day's like everybody else......But give me Moore over any other Jockey at the momment......Any Day.
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Every yard in the country & every owner would take Moore over anyone else currently riding in a heartbeat if he was offered to them, That in itself tells you all you need to know.
People only appreciate how good someone is once they're gone, If Cauthen, Eddery, Piggott, F Archer ect ect were riding today you'd get threads on here saying how average they are & they make too many mistakes. |
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Sorry Cork Langer you are right It was not Rain Goddess.. I meant to say Homesman , how Moore managed to keep it out of the frame I do not know.. Hes riding so many bad races recently I think I'm a bit punchy with it all.
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I expected some pedant to ask this question, No surprise it turned out to be you
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other than the biggest trainer & owners in Ireland you mean
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Lucky for Coolmore they got Moore instead.
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Nah, Smullen would have won a few more big races for them. He wasn't first choice for nothing
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Hard to make a case for PJ on the stats, only hit 20% s/r once in his career, Moore has managed it 11 years running, fairly safe to say the boys are delighted at being rejected by Pat
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It could be argued that riding for DK he rides a lot of horses in races where there is limited competitive opposition
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Not at all, are you saying the races he rides in here at home are more competitive than those that Moore rides in over in England....
Leave aside 2017 because PJ is having limited success and there is still half a year to go, take the last full year ie 2016, PJ managed 6 pattern race wins for outside stables, in the same period omitting both O'Brien and Stoute runners, Moore managed to ride 11, it is only your belief (and some others), which I respect, that PJ is a better rider than Moore. There is no factual evidence to support your opinion but that is not to say you are wrong, just that at this moment all the stats and percentages put Moore in a different parish to PJ. |
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Not sure about the relevance of your question, but none of them were, perhaps you would care to elaborate
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Smullen is riding in Ireland in big races mostly against O'Brien hotpots. Hardly a fair comparison to Moore in big races in England when O'Brien doesn't have a runner(if he did Moore would be on it).
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The referred to outside pattern races were Worldwide and PJ's only victory outside of Ireland/UK came at Meydan, Moore had victories in Hong Kong, Dubai, Germany and Japan on his CV, which implies he is more successful and more sought after than PJ for other stables.
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So because Smullen doesn't travel all over the place it's because he's never asked? As I was saying you can have stats to prove anything you like, but your eyes can tell you the truth. No coincidence these days that as soon as he gets a winner, even if it hacks up, Aidan is going out of his way to say how 'fantastic' the ride was from Ryan. He knows people at Irish tracks have been criticising Ryan and is doing his best to change that.
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Boy I thought I was early !
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They say the Premier League does not lie.All around the world performances by Ryan Moore do not lie.Pat Smullen mid table at best.
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