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An opinion on Ryan Moore at Royal Ascot 2017
An opinion on Ryan Moore at Royal Ascot 2017
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The Premier league are you saying its the BEST in the world....
 If Moore was a American jockey he'd be a workrider at best! |
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AOB, said this morning Ryan USUALLY rides our first string, oh yeah
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You tell me MJK, I am merely working with the evidence that is documented and before me, I would have no idea about PJ's preference, but in my 50 years of following racing I don't remember ever seeing any reports or stories circulated about jockeys declining an invitation to ride abroad on occasions when the opportunity arose or was offered, unless already engaged elsewhere or suspended.
To use your own words, I think it could be said you are now clutching at straws, when you say about AOB waxing lyrical about Moore's rides, anyone that listens to any interview with him will tell you that any winning ride is world class, be it he is talking about Moore, Heffernan, O'Donoghue or Beggy, that is just a habit that he has unfortunately gotten into, and not a diversionary tactic to convince anyone about Moore. I somewhat doubt that AOB would take any notice of people voicing dissent on track about Moore anyway, he would perhaps think again if the "boys" said it to him, but given who else is available at this time I think that very unlikely. |
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What a great read this thread is.. many thanks Mr (or indeed Ms) Cork Langer for some grown-up writing.
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MJK, that is all good and well, the obvious question in my mind then would be why did DK feel the need to speak for PJ, quickly followed by whilst understanding loyalty, would many let it stand in the way of being offered the biggest job in racing, having served someone for countless years already, if you were the employer (DK) would you not be encouraging the person (PJ) to take up such a challenge that only comes once in a career if you are lucky, I know that I would personally.....
With regard to travelling in this modern era, do you really feel that would be an issue or is even a viable excuse, virtually everywhere that there is top class racing is accessible in less than a 48 hours round trip and given the Coolmore resources probably less than that. From an outside perspective it is difficult to conclude anything other than that PJ either lacked the confidence to take the job on or the motivation to give it a go. |
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Weld gave Smullen a Derby winner.
Smullen 100/100 would rather ride a Derby winner for DK than coolmore. Moore needs to go he just simply needs to go. There is no pressure on him to perform and he rides accordingly. |
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neill d, No dispute that it is near impossible to do a comparison between the two that would be acceptable or agreeable to people who hold different views about the respective riders, which is why I dug out the numbers on outside of main stable pattern race wins, as level a playing field as I could find, which Moore came out ahead by almost 2 to 1 (11/6).
jonjon, Would agree that PJ is grateful to DK for the opportunities he has afforded him in a 20 year period, as an individual though, if put in his place, I am certain that the competitive element within me would have convinced me to take the role at Coolmore, for no other reason than to avoid forever questioning or wondering what might have been if I had, how about you, do you feel that you could have resisted if Coolmore had come calling for your services.... As for dispensing with Moore's services the "boys" would need a superior alternative to him, at this moment I don't believe that there is one, that they would be prepared to take a chance on, as all the stats are at this moment working in Moore's favour. |
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Yeah I would believe Smullen is probably the type of guy who is happy with the money he had made(rare for a jockey), similar to a footballer who earns a good living and is happy at the club he's at, even though he could earn more if he moved elsewhere. I think the travelling thing was a thought that riding for Coolmore meant that you're away every weekend somewhere. No idea if Moore has a family of his own but Smullen always comes across as a real family man.
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moore has family MJK but he takes time off during the week sometimes to compensate (entitled to)
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Perhaps it is just as simple as that, in which case no one could hold it against him for opting for the security of continuing with his biggest supporters rather than taking a step into the unknown and then finding it didn't suit him, don't suppose we will ever know for sure unless he decides to write a book when he retires from the saddle, for the record, both are very much family orientated.
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The simple reason i prefer Smullen, is he nearly always has his horse in a position to challenge whereas Moore sometimes gives his horses a mountain to climb.
Both are strong in a finish so nothing in it there. Imo Smullen would have ridden the more winners for AOB than Moore has done on the same mounts. Can't prove that of course just an opinion. |
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Ryan Moore is a rich mans Jamie Spencer !
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Jamie Spencer is a brutal waste of talent, the biggest ever waste of talent, lads?
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Someone used the word enigma in a post the other day, a more apt word you could not wish for, where JPS is concerned, it is a shame that he reversed his decision about retiring, if he had of retired though, the forum would be bereft of posts...!
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true !In fairness, Ryan has got talent, is he sometimes over confident, or tactically not on his ''A'' game, or possibly arrogant ? I would suggest the answer (') is yes ! |
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Let's be honest about it... Joseph won his fair share of G 1 races !
Coolmore, are totally dominating the sport in Great Britain & Ireland ! |
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And, not doing badly in The States, France & Australia !
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You proved the point in a nutshell Halcyon,Joseph riding so many G1s is the giveaway!
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The Coolmore dominance is easily explained...its not Ryan Moore, its not Aiden O Brien, it is Galileo
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Also what must be taken into consideration is the team Magnier has put in place,excluding Ryan of course.
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10 smacks with the stick there...and that's my argument
great for people who backed the fav but a lot of trainers don't want their horses ridden like this |
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^SDS
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