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Ryan Moore book of rides for the Royal Ascot meeting 2017
Race Course Horse Draw Run Place SP Money Earned WinDraw
Queen Anne ST Deauville 6 16 3rd 12/1 73,706 1
Coventry ST Murillo 4 18 3rd 8/1 16,140 9
Kings Stand ST Washington DC 17 17 15th 8/1 0 18
St James Palace R Churchill 5 8 4th 1/2f 21,440 4
Ascot Stakes R Thomas Hobson 11 18 1st 4/1f 49,800 11
Windsor Castle ST Declarationofpeace 14 22 22nd 13/8f 0 12
Jersey Stakes ST Whitecliffsofdover 12 20 15th 12/1 0 10
Queen Mary ST Happy Like A Fool 18 23 2nd 10/11f 23,650 20
Duke Cambridge ST Smart Call 11 14 4th 9/2 10,800 10
Prince of Wales R Highland Reel 6 8 1st 9/4 425,325 6
Royal Hunt Cup ST Ballet Concerto 11 29 4th 20/1 8,155 26
Sandringham ST Rain Goddess 18 24 2nd 7/1 17,200 11
Norfolk Stakes ST Sioux Nation 2 17 1st 14/1 56,710 2
Hampton Court R Orderofthegarter 14 13 2nd 10/3f 19,350 6
Ribblesdale R Alluringly 4 12 6th 5/2 2,902 1
Gold Cup R Order of St George 13 14 2nd 5/6f 86,000 7
Britannia ST City of Joy 17 29 10th 8/1 0 3
King George V R Homesman 16 18 5th 8/1 2,097 22
Albany Stakes ST Clemmie 2 20 7th 7/1 0 13
King Edward VII R Sir John Lavery 13 12 9th 8/1 0 11
Commonwealth ST Caravaggio 5 12 1st 5/6f 226,840 5
Coronation Stakes R Winter 7 7 1st 4/9f 243,853 7
Queens Vase R Belgravia 7 13 4th 5/1f 8,643 9
Duke of Edinburgh R Mainstream 11 19 6th 5/1 936 19
Chesham Stakes ST September 6 15 1st 11/8f 45,368 6
Wolferton R Ayrad 14 16 5th 16/1 2,152 5
Hardwicke St R Dartmouth 4 12 4th 9/4f 12,060 7
Diamond Jubilee ST Limato 15 19 3rd 2/1f 64,560 3
Wokingham St ST Raucous 21 27 8th 11/2f 0 1
Queen Alexandra R US Army Ranger 7 16 3rd 7/2 7,456 3
30 Races Wins 6, 2nds 4, 3rds 4, 4ths 5, Unplaced 11 Total 1,425,143
Won on 4 of 13 favourites
Hard to know where to begin on a subject that is likely to run until Moore chooses to retire as there are very few riders around who could be considered as challengers to his position as No 1, that is not to say that I believe him to be a great jockey when compared to past legends bur certainly in this era with his contacts and longevity he has maintained a position of top rider rather easily through the lack of viable competition.
The fact that he alone had rides in all 30 races at Royal Ascot speaks volumes for peoples willingness to put him up on their animals albeit 66% of his rides came from one stable, there can be little doubt if Ballydoyle had not had runners in so many races he would still have picked up a full book of rides such is his popularity with other trainers clamouring to use him when he is available. Recalling the vintage years that someone of my age always reflects on, I cannot ever remember any of the greats like Piggott, Eddery, Cauthen, Mercer, Breasley etc ever having a year when they had a full book of rides for what was then a four day meeting.
Looking at the 30 rides only 6 (20%) failed to earn any place money, the other 24 (80%) earned a total of £1,425,143 which is a fairly hefty return for less than 2 actual hours riding in the saddle.
When you consider this is a meeting that all stables have their entries fighting fit for, is a win return of 20% really that bad when you compare it to a career percentage of 17.5%, in my book it is a decent win ratio and one that plenty of others would like to achieve.
Second best was William Buick who had 4/26 (15%) whose own career percentage is 16.29%, it is strange why Moore has been criticised continuously and Buick has escaped without much being said, perhaps it is because Moore is adjudged to be on the best the majority of the time because of the link to Coolmore whereas Buick is excused because he rides for Godolphin of whom the public expect very little these days with all the in-house fighting and bickering going on.
To the rides themselves as they are what is really under the microscope rather than whatever the figures say.
Churchill – The horse appeared to be given every chance, just was not able to quicken to get involved, already victorious in two Group 1’s, perhaps this was one race too far too soon for him, the winner Barney Roy had come straight from the Guinea’s and the longer recovery time allowed I believe was the deciding factor.
Orderofthegarter – First surprise for me was that this horse started favourite, had looked distinctly average in the French Guinea’s and Derby, ridden from off the pace, he made his move wide and failed to pick up the winner who had finished fifth in the English Derby, whilst it looked visually that he may have caught Benbatl if he had made his run earlier, did he have any right to, given that the Derby form appears to be strong this year.
Order of St George – The amount posted on this has been astonishing, yes Moore came from a long way back but his horse headed Big Orange only to be out battled near home, if he was guilty of anything it is that he got there too soon which enabled Big Orange to rally.
Belgravia – Not sure why this started favourite either, other than because of connections, is a slow one paced galloper, was caught out in a rough race because the horse did not have the gears to go when he needed to, when it did get going the principles had stolen the race, will be better suited by a longer straight like either the Curragh or Doncaster.
Mainstream – Started slowly, was held up then ran into trouble when making its run, there were at least five others that suffered the same fate, a facet of the round course whenever the field is large, luck will always play a major part.
Dartmouth – Another false favourite, perhaps because of the publics will to see a winner for the Queen and the bookmakers knowledge that they could keep shortening it and money would still come for it, did well to get it into any kind of contention, indeed it probably lost two places because the ride was to give it a chance to win rather than to achieve best placing, Idaho had every right to beat it whereas second and third did so because Moore went too early and finished 4th rather than possibly being second.
Limato – A decent animal but very much over hyped, never looked likely to win and the interference only served as an excuse for his failure to fire on the day, his recent record of 2/8 tells you that he is not a superstar sprinter just one of a few who on their day can beat the others.
Raucous – How anyone could voice dissent at this ride is beyond belief, drawn on the wrong side he was never going to win and those who played him at single figure prices should give themselves a good hard slap, even if there had of been pace on his side, he would still have needed luck to weave a clear passage through, the horses record speaks volumes , one of those unlucky in running sorts who will go in when everyone has given up on it, did well to finish 3rd in the race on the stands side, makes the runs of the 3rd and 4th in the race worth marking down as exceptional.
US Army Ranger – My view beforehand was that he should win on class alone if he stayed the trip, on reflection I think he did stay perfectly well but will never give himself a decent chance of victory because he refuses to co-operate when the rider asks him to.
Overall on reflection in the cold light of day I believe that people expect far too much from Moore and allow their emotions to run away with them when posting immediately after a race. It is all too easy to blame the rider than yourself when backing a loser and because Moore is viewed by some as the top jockey he receives more criticism than most, especially as the majority of his rides start favourite or far shorter than their true odds should be. That is not to say that Moore is faultless or above criticism, he makes plenty of errors but is fortunate that in many cases the horses he rides are superior enough in quality to give him the option to put things right before the finishing line.
For me Moore is a decent rider in an era where the competition is limited, all the time he is in favour with Coolmore the victories will continue to stack up and historically he may well be viewed as better than many of those before him, because the statistics will say as much, that does not mean to say he is equal with those before him on the score of talent though, and I have no doubt that in all the recent era’s he would be second tier at best behind the likes of Murtagh, Kinane, Fallon, Eddery, Piggott, Mercer, Breasley etc etc.
That is not to imply that those listed did not make errors, difference is that Moore is under the microscope for each and every race he rides in, the stars of yesterday were only ever judged on maybe 4 races on a Saturday or 16 over a festival meeting like Royal Ascot, that meeting alone advertises the disparity perfectly, as Moore was being watched 30 times and by a far larger number of people, who supposedly know what they are looking at, though reading some of the posts on here it would make you wonder whether they actually do, as the ignorance shown by some is quite incredible.
Race Course Horse Draw Run Place SP Money Earned WinDraw
Queen Anne ST Deauville 6 16 3rd 12/1 73,706 1
Coventry ST Murillo 4 18 3rd 8/1 16,140 9
Kings Stand ST Washington DC 17 17 15th 8/1 0 18
St James Palace R Churchill 5 8 4th 1/2f 21,440 4
Ascot Stakes R Thomas Hobson 11 18 1st 4/1f 49,800 11
Windsor Castle ST Declarationofpeace 14 22 22nd 13/8f 0 12
Jersey Stakes ST Whitecliffsofdover 12 20 15th 12/1 0 10
Queen Mary ST Happy Like A Fool 18 23 2nd 10/11f 23,650 20
Duke Cambridge ST Smart Call 11 14 4th 9/2 10,800 10
Prince of Wales R Highland Reel 6 8 1st 9/4 425,325 6
Royal Hunt Cup ST Ballet Concerto 11 29 4th 20/1 8,155 26
Sandringham ST Rain Goddess 18 24 2nd 7/1 17,200 11
Norfolk Stakes ST Sioux Nation 2 17 1st 14/1 56,710 2
Hampton Court R Orderofthegarter 14 13 2nd 10/3f 19,350 6
Ribblesdale R Alluringly 4 12 6th 5/2 2,902 1
Gold Cup R Order of St George 13 14 2nd 5/6f 86,000 7
Britannia ST City of Joy 17 29 10th 8/1 0 3
King George V R Homesman 16 18 5th 8/1 2,097 22
Albany Stakes ST Clemmie 2 20 7th 7/1 0 13
King Edward VII R Sir John Lavery 13 12 9th 8/1 0 11
Commonwealth ST Caravaggio 5 12 1st 5/6f 226,840 5
Coronation Stakes R Winter 7 7 1st 4/9f 243,853 7
Queens Vase R Belgravia 7 13 4th 5/1f 8,643 9
Duke of Edinburgh R Mainstream 11 19 6th 5/1 936 19
Chesham Stakes ST September 6 15 1st 11/8f 45,368 6
Wolferton R Ayrad 14 16 5th 16/1 2,152 5
Hardwicke St R Dartmouth 4 12 4th 9/4f 12,060 7
Diamond Jubilee ST Limato 15 19 3rd 2/1f 64,560 3
Wokingham St ST Raucous 21 27 8th 11/2f 0 1
Queen Alexandra R US Army Ranger 7 16 3rd 7/2 7,456 3
30 Races Wins 6, 2nds 4, 3rds 4, 4ths 5, Unplaced 11 Total 1,425,143
Won on 4 of 13 favourites
Hard to know where to begin on a subject that is likely to run until Moore chooses to retire as there are very few riders around who could be considered as challengers to his position as No 1, that is not to say that I believe him to be a great jockey when compared to past legends bur certainly in this era with his contacts and longevity he has maintained a position of top rider rather easily through the lack of viable competition.
The fact that he alone had rides in all 30 races at Royal Ascot speaks volumes for peoples willingness to put him up on their animals albeit 66% of his rides came from one stable, there can be little doubt if Ballydoyle had not had runners in so many races he would still have picked up a full book of rides such is his popularity with other trainers clamouring to use him when he is available. Recalling the vintage years that someone of my age always reflects on, I cannot ever remember any of the greats like Piggott, Eddery, Cauthen, Mercer, Breasley etc ever having a year when they had a full book of rides for what was then a four day meeting.
Looking at the 30 rides only 6 (20%) failed to earn any place money, the other 24 (80%) earned a total of £1,425,143 which is a fairly hefty return for less than 2 actual hours riding in the saddle.
When you consider this is a meeting that all stables have their entries fighting fit for, is a win return of 20% really that bad when you compare it to a career percentage of 17.5%, in my book it is a decent win ratio and one that plenty of others would like to achieve.
Second best was William Buick who had 4/26 (15%) whose own career percentage is 16.29%, it is strange why Moore has been criticised continuously and Buick has escaped without much being said, perhaps it is because Moore is adjudged to be on the best the majority of the time because of the link to Coolmore whereas Buick is excused because he rides for Godolphin of whom the public expect very little these days with all the in-house fighting and bickering going on.
To the rides themselves as they are what is really under the microscope rather than whatever the figures say.
Churchill – The horse appeared to be given every chance, just was not able to quicken to get involved, already victorious in two Group 1’s, perhaps this was one race too far too soon for him, the winner Barney Roy had come straight from the Guinea’s and the longer recovery time allowed I believe was the deciding factor.
Orderofthegarter – First surprise for me was that this horse started favourite, had looked distinctly average in the French Guinea’s and Derby, ridden from off the pace, he made his move wide and failed to pick up the winner who had finished fifth in the English Derby, whilst it looked visually that he may have caught Benbatl if he had made his run earlier, did he have any right to, given that the Derby form appears to be strong this year.
Order of St George – The amount posted on this has been astonishing, yes Moore came from a long way back but his horse headed Big Orange only to be out battled near home, if he was guilty of anything it is that he got there too soon which enabled Big Orange to rally.
Belgravia – Not sure why this started favourite either, other than because of connections, is a slow one paced galloper, was caught out in a rough race because the horse did not have the gears to go when he needed to, when it did get going the principles had stolen the race, will be better suited by a longer straight like either the Curragh or Doncaster.
Mainstream – Started slowly, was held up then ran into trouble when making its run, there were at least five others that suffered the same fate, a facet of the round course whenever the field is large, luck will always play a major part.
Dartmouth – Another false favourite, perhaps because of the publics will to see a winner for the Queen and the bookmakers knowledge that they could keep shortening it and money would still come for it, did well to get it into any kind of contention, indeed it probably lost two places because the ride was to give it a chance to win rather than to achieve best placing, Idaho had every right to beat it whereas second and third did so because Moore went too early and finished 4th rather than possibly being second.
Limato – A decent animal but very much over hyped, never looked likely to win and the interference only served as an excuse for his failure to fire on the day, his recent record of 2/8 tells you that he is not a superstar sprinter just one of a few who on their day can beat the others.
Raucous – How anyone could voice dissent at this ride is beyond belief, drawn on the wrong side he was never going to win and those who played him at single figure prices should give themselves a good hard slap, even if there had of been pace on his side, he would still have needed luck to weave a clear passage through, the horses record speaks volumes , one of those unlucky in running sorts who will go in when everyone has given up on it, did well to finish 3rd in the race on the stands side, makes the runs of the 3rd and 4th in the race worth marking down as exceptional.
US Army Ranger – My view beforehand was that he should win on class alone if he stayed the trip, on reflection I think he did stay perfectly well but will never give himself a decent chance of victory because he refuses to co-operate when the rider asks him to.
Overall on reflection in the cold light of day I believe that people expect far too much from Moore and allow their emotions to run away with them when posting immediately after a race. It is all too easy to blame the rider than yourself when backing a loser and because Moore is viewed by some as the top jockey he receives more criticism than most, especially as the majority of his rides start favourite or far shorter than their true odds should be. That is not to say that Moore is faultless or above criticism, he makes plenty of errors but is fortunate that in many cases the horses he rides are superior enough in quality to give him the option to put things right before the finishing line.
For me Moore is a decent rider in an era where the competition is limited, all the time he is in favour with Coolmore the victories will continue to stack up and historically he may well be viewed as better than many of those before him, because the statistics will say as much, that does not mean to say he is equal with those before him on the score of talent though, and I have no doubt that in all the recent era’s he would be second tier at best behind the likes of Murtagh, Kinane, Fallon, Eddery, Piggott, Mercer, Breasley etc etc.
That is not to imply that those listed did not make errors, difference is that Moore is under the microscope for each and every race he rides in, the stars of yesterday were only ever judged on maybe 4 races on a Saturday or 16 over a festival meeting like Royal Ascot, that meeting alone advertises the disparity perfectly, as Moore was being watched 30 times and by a far larger number of people, who supposedly know what they are looking at, though reading some of the posts on here it would make you wonder whether they actually do, as the ignorance shown by some is quite incredible.
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you forgot cauthen
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when did OOSG head Big Orange ?
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Likes of and etc etc encompasses the "Kentucky Kid", could of listed plenty that would have had more talent in the saddle than Mr Moore, those listed were just to give you a taste, feel free to post others who in your view would tactically leave him in their wake.
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On the bob maybe 70/80 yards from the post, was the side shot on RUK that showed it clearest from memory
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Excellent piece Cork very interesting read top work.
I have real real problems with Ryan Moore when he holds horses up. I lay off my bet the second he holds one up he is absolutely useless coming from behind. I'm nearly certain a massively high percentage of his winners are placed forward within a race. He is one of the better riders riding today but he is far from one of the worlds best. He does get the worlds best mounts though and that affords him the experience when it comes to the debrief. |
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Not a personal attack Cork, but I would love to see 'could of' completely abolished and a return to universal use of 'could have'.
Yes, when did George head BO?! |
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i watched it a few times and the closest he got was at the line,in my opinion he was
too far back,made hell of alot of ground to get to Big Orange. US Army Ranger was the same. |
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Good post Cork, agree with most if not all of that. On a forum where the jockey seems to be the be all and end all most of the time, it's a refreshing change to read something well thought out and articulate in their regard.
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Apologies ellis, allow me to retract the BO/OOSG statement, was confusing it with Highland Reel being headed by Ulysses and Decorated Knight and then getting back past them, just watched again and as you correctly state BO was never headed, if James Doyle is to be believed in his interview he said BO picked up again when OOSG got to his flank, so maybe he wouldn't of ever got past him on that occasion.
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Yep, good analysis Cork.
I'd personally cut him a bit of slack on the basis of the volume of rides - 30 rides, discuss with connections beforehand, debrief connections afterwards, media obligations when he rides the winner, hot weather, making sure he keeps hydrated, managing his weight, maintaining concentration during races to make sure he's alert to any potential race defining moves by his counterparts. He strikes me as pretty tough mentally so I doubt he worries about being under the microscope or the pressure of expectation but there must come a point where the odd error creeps in due to mental fatigue as much as anything. He's not a robot. At some of the other meetings he could skip the odd ride in the early races to focus on the feature event but the Ascot cards front load the pattern events so that's not really possible. |
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no probs cork,i dont think L Piggot would of lost on OOSG or USAR but thats another story
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ReaseHeath,
Good valid points, I was going to point out that the criticism increased on the last day, especially for his last four mounts and perhaps earlier criticism and a mixture of anger and tiredness had an effect on his decision making, but having re-visited the last four rides I didn't think a case could really be made on that basis because to my eyes he didn't do much wrong on any of them. For me if he did have a poor day, it was most certainly Thursday, which if he could no doubt live again, he would probably have a treble. |
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Funny you should say that ellis, as beforehand on Saturday morning I had visions of Moore riding US AR akin to Lester aboard John Cherry
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ann stokell would have won on OoSG
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Moore as given some of his mounts appalling rides recently , when he continually had his mounts way to far behind in races , one in particular ride was on Humble Hero at Lingfield got beat a nose after coming from miles behind , he seemed to go to sleep . and how he kept Rain Goddess out of the frame at Ascot beggars belief. again way out of his ground... many more examples recently .. he seems to have morphed into Jamie Spencer.
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Any other jockey riding THE LADS horses would have as good a record as him, if you think he got there to soon on OOSG, oh dear, he has no idea how to change tact in a slow run race, no plan B, a decent jockey, yes, and that is all
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greedy got the gig.
 ,ponty g1 horse in a listed trotted up evens |
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An excellent analysis Corky, but
the fact remains he does make tactical error's in high profile races ! His positioning of Order Of St George was very poor, and I think you'd have to agree he should of won the race ! ?... I thought his ride on U S Army Ranger last years Derby was atrocious.. for me if he'd of got the horse in a more prominent position before Tattenham Corner, he'd of won the race ! The horse hasn't won since, and to me he did the beast a lot of harm that day with his ride ! All about opinion's, but like other poster's not a patch on P E, L P, W S, S C, W C, G M, J M, M K et al ! |
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Moore did not appreciate early enough in the meeting making up ground on the round course was almost impossible
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All that effort and you still can't grasp the blindingly obvious. Got there too soon on Order Of St George? If you can't get that right it really isn't worth looking at anything else.
At least four duff rides out of six on the horse. If they cared about the horse he would already have been ditched. There was nothing iffy about the horse before Moore started taking liberties with him. His two best performances were the Irish St Leger and the Arc. In the first he led three furlongs out and in the other he was sent forward. He didn't need to be held up and he didn't need to lead on the post. It is habitual for Moore to sit out of ground. That is his 'style'. When it doesn't work he is arrogant enough to keep doing the same thing. He got away with a poor ride last year, he didn't this year. I would consider a good ride to be something that most of the weighing room couldn't achieve. In my opinion Moore rides far more bad races than good ones. Most of his rides are just average because given the quality of his mounts that's all they need to be. |
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A well written piece Corky, Bit wasted on here though imo.
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matso - Rain Goddess finished 2nd, perhaps it was another ride you are thinking about
deptford/differentdrum - if you read the replies, ellis already pointed out my error regarding OOSG, which I retracted and explained hd - I don't believe anyone is disputing that he makes plenty of mistakes, as I said he is fortunate that he rides the quality of horse that often enables him to get out of trouble that he makes for himself, as for US AR that is pure conjecture and whilst I accept that is your own opinion, personally I would question the horses will to co-operate more than anything else, just seems to have his own ideas when racing. differentdrum - using the Irish St Leger as an example is pointless, look at the calibre of the opposition that day and what they have achieved since and you will see that OOSG could not have lost that race if you or me had ridden it...! As for the Arc, being a 12f race, obviously the tactics had to be completely different to those employed before and after, or he would have been left for dead, it is also worth mentioning that those two performances came on good ground in Ireland and France, where good is often softer than good ground in the UK, the three victories it has on good to firm here were all against poor opposition, so perhaps the real fast ground was a contributory factor to it not managing to pass Big Orange last week. The statistics and the fact that Coolmore primarily, and many others, still see him as the go to jockey would seemingly contradict your opinion of his ability, he is certainly fortunate that the talent pool at this time is so dearth in numbers, or maybe he would be put under pressure to retain his position of number one. |
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jesus corky thats some read ffs, u got far too much free time on ur hands i feel lol, my actual opinion is that hes just a jockey of no class compared to the piggotts cauthens etc and a very fortunate man to be riding amongst such a shower of colleagues
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Long time no hear "thomas", things still ticking over and keeping your head above water I hope....
Think you have summed up most peoples view of him, very much a case of being in the right place at the right time, any of the greats and a few others who had limited chances in their own careers because of the competition for rides would ensure that Moore stayed in the shadows rather than being in the limelight. You are quite right I do have too much time on my hands these days, might have to consider taking up the dogs and US racing again....! |
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lol get back on the bags scene corky crayford misses you yeah and im good hope your winning
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Moore mistakes like everybody but still the best jockey in Europe by far. We get much more in the way or racing on tv, replays and analysis than ever before and consequently people can pick holes in Moore and the others like they could never before. Piggott was in a league of his own but Moore is the best since then. The reason nearly all the top trainers clamour for his services is because he's the best. Anyone who thinks that jockeys in previous generations were much better needs to go back and look at old video's. They simply weren't. It's just whilst now we see thousands of races per year, we only used to see a small percentage.
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After reading the stuff on here about Moore. Makes you think that he'd be better off packing in riding and getting himself a milk round.
What a load of toss. |
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asparagus - respect everyone is entitled to their own opinion, couldn't agree that Moore is the best since Piggott, in saying that you are putting him ahead of someone like Cauthen, the Kid would have left him in his wake imo
Dr Crippen - that is not what is being said in this quarter, he is the best currently for me, but only because the competition is so poor with no obvious pretender in our midst |
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I was ridiculing the criticism Cork Langer.
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Dr Crippen - yes I appreciate that, but anyone reading your post may have thought you were inferring that the whole thread was criticising him
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Of his 30 Royal Ascot rides, 20 were for Coolmore and 6 for Stoute so only 4 were spares.
I have no problem at all with Ryan Moore but there are probably 30-40 jockeys based in UK and Ireland alone who could do the job just as well. There really isn't much between any number of senior jockeys. Smullen was offered the Coolmore job twice. If he had taken it he would now top the opinion polls for the world's/Europe's top jockey. Having a big name retained rider is very useful when things go wrong and owners are not happy with a ride.... " hey it was Ryan Moore,he's the best jockey in the world,these things happen now lets move on".If it keeps the lads happy then that's fine but I would safely say Aiden O Brien would have no problem with any of his own jockeys getting the top job. |
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Jockey Min Weight Wins Rides Strike Rate Level Stake Win Prize Total Prize
Silvestre De Sousa 8-2 56 254 22% +12.56 £317,889 490,224 Ryan Moore 8-7 36 155 23% 16.95 £2,234,847 3,366,708 what do people think of this ? |
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Tells me one has membership of the inner circle and the other doesn't and never will do, irrespective of his will and ability to get horses home in first place
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good thread corks
 RM expected number of winners from BSPs was 6.6 so 6 winners about a par week SDS a top jockey on the long term jockey figures but if you speak to people who have had dealings with him it is mostly not positive feedback I think that might have a lot to do with it |
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Agree wonders, not as obliging or savvy when it comes to protocol which is why he has missed out with a number of stables/owners
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I would love to see Soumie riding for Coolmore. The man has all the talent in the world.
As for Moore, i actually think day in day out he is very decent, but , he does make far too many mistakes in big races to my eye. Obviously his employer(s) do not agreee. i would have Greville Starkey before Moore as an aside. |
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who happened to make the biggest balls up of all time in the Derby itself of all races
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Royal Ascot top jockey seven times in the last eight years. Says it all for me.
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Moore hasn't been quite at the same level as he was at before his back injury for me. Also, tactically he doesn't control enough races. Dettori is still head and shoulders in front in that regard. Moore gets away with it in most of the top races, as there's pace or his firm ensures there's a strong pace. Of the current crop, I still have Dettori in front, albeit he's probably not quite as strong in a finish as he was at his very peak.
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