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Slight correction - it was Wed, Sept 23.
(Sept 24 had the results). |
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Rugantino the rug
I was working for a Jersey bookie when the Rug was trained by Monty Smyth, the local bookie had a horse called FOG with him from memory Dennis Letherby was apprentice of the time then .. |
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Wasn't Letherby apprenticed to Willie Stephenson?
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It would seem that his original owner was impresario and band leader Jack Hylton, as he owned a number of racehorses . He died in Jan 1965, so Rugantino must have been one of his last.
Here's a picture of Jack, looking at one of his, in 1949. http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/theatre-impresario-jack-hylton-examining-one-of-his-news-photo/3400970#12th-march-1949-theatre-impresario-jack-hylton-examining-one-of-his-picture-id3400970 |
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i have been looking for info on rugantino for many moons and this forum has been supurb.
answer for broadsword,wages was around 45 sovs a week, a semi det chalet in bexley kent needing work was around 4k to 5k .this might throw some light on the info it was a 2 year old hcp nursery 72 or 73 i was friends and work mate with jeremy noseda father who had a few betting shops in south london around the time tabor was a regular greyhound man before his astronmical rise to the position he now enjoys these groups were go getters s--- or bust but shrewd young men.being in that enviroment and in the industry this kind of info materialises you have to judgethe strength of the info out of 10 this came in at 9 i sold my car holiday wages and little savings i had was used as the stake.let me say this i may now be in the evening of my life and memory slips now and again,but parts of this day are so clear a very warm sunny day,the white fiver was in use my bet was with 5 bookmakers all in the front line in tatts.i was so quick running along the line you had to or else the price would have shortened when picking up the draw my hands were still shaking i went into the toilets to stuff the wedge down my trousers came back out to see a horse dark court get beat ridden by gorden richards. did not wait for the meeting to close started to make my way home. the rest is history . stewerts rise.you have it totaly wrong |
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RUGANTINO - Dark Court ran in the 3.30, the following race, as you say. Gordon Richards trained it. Scobie Breasley rode it. 1964.
(Monty Smyth - Alfred Mornington Smyth. 1903 - 1981. Uncle of Gordon Smyth. Trained for William Hill for a while at Whitsbury) |
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ged---- where did you get that info the race result of rugantino
you see the old sporting life of the next day showed the wagers placed and would show those large amounts.to prove that is the correct day and result the race after was a hot pot turned over called dark court ridden by g richards please reply ged |
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Dark Court was beaten by Alsatia, ridden by Joe Mercer, trained by Derrick Candy (Henry's father).
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I'm inclined to believe geds dates, foaled in 62, so couldn't have won a 2 year old nursery in 72. The years fly by Rug'.
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ged your knowledge and info on horse racing is second to none .you have made an old man very happy.
and my offspring are now believing in that event of rugantino the two year old. |
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no white fivers around in 72 either
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Des Cullen rode the winner of the 5th race as well at 100/6, so you could have had the Tote Double up on him. (3rd and 5th race) - paid £116 1s.
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RUGANTINO - it's not really knowledge - I'm just digging around on the internet, and using bits of knowledge.
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redrob you are right with your inclination go with ged
white fivers were around when rugantino secured the race in question because around this time i believe a layer was caught with forged white fivers and apparantly had educated his children on the proceeds at boarding school . |
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ged is there any way i can get an old copy of the sporting life of 25th sept 1964
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Rugantino actually became quite a useful hurdler on fast ground. He came 3rd in a division of the Portman hurdle at Wincanton, which used to attract Champion Hurdle horses. Kirriemuir won the other division in the year he ran in his. David Elsworth had a mount in both divisions.
Another John Sutcliffe flat horse became a useful fast ground hurdler for another trainer in Mugatpura. He ran in the St James Palace as a 3yo for Sutcliffe, and ran up a sequence over hurdles on fast ground for Fulke Walwyn, including the first running of the Fighting Fifth. |
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RUGANTINO - you'd want September 23rd - that was the day of the race. I doubt you could get a copy. But, as Delta said above, you could email a man called George Walker who could send you an image of the Times newspaper of the racing page for that date. That might be the best you could do.
You can contact George via the Jockeypedia website... https://sites.google.com/site/jockeypedia/ (or just google Jockeypedia yourself - you'll find it easily) George created that, and put all sorts of stuff on it, particularly about old time jockeys. |
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ged i have run out of superlatives for your info
my family are as much glued to the info coming in as i |
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sorry, his name is George Wheeler, not George Walker (that was Billy's brother)
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Here's his contact address...
jockeypedia2016@gmail.com |
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RUGANTINO - where do you live now? My uncle used to work in the Schweppes factory in Sidcup - can't have been all that far from that old semi you lived in. It was him and my aunt that got me interested in racing in the early 60s.
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ged i live in birchington minnis bay kent overlooking the briney [sea]
son lives in cheltenham no surprise there jeremy noseda {trainer newmarket} father . my work pal had one of his betting shops in halfway st sidcup the other chiselhurst near bromley and one other in walworth road south london. the house i bought with the proceeds was in bedonwell road bexleyheath kent those were the days. |
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Oh right. I was brought up in St Mary Cray. We used to go down to Margate and Ramsgate of a Sunday sometimes, if the car made it. I used to go to Windsor sometimes with my dad around the late 60s, but never landed a touch like yours!
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Jack Hylton's eldest daughter, Jackie, has 3 racing claims to fame...
1. In 1944, her dad bought her a racehorse, Smoky, so making her the youngest registered racehorse owner in the country 2. Her first husband was Liam Ward, 5 times Irish champion jockey, but perhaps best known in Britain as the jockey who was on Sir Ivor when Ribero and Piggott beat him in the Irish Derby 3. Her 2nd husband is Frank Ramos, and they own the Ashleigh stud in Kentucky, and so bred Toast Of New York, who nearly won the Breeders Cup Classic for Jamie Osborne and Michael Buckley She's still going in her mid-80s, I think. |
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info never tops amazing me.
had a delay since i was coming from behind today layed a few winners just laid floramoss 410 kelso out of trouble now little profit might lay zeehahin in the 4.30 at 3.75 see how the market goes. by the way jockeypedia keep getting a not delivered notice george wheeler on twitter last post was 2011 is he still around . |
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laid zeehan good info p.u nice profit on the day becaue it was a grey nade ne wonder
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Re. White Fivers.
The 1793 design, latterly known as the "White Fiver" (black printing on white paper), remained in circulation essentially unchanged until 21 February 1957 when the multicoloured (although predominantly dark blue) "Series B" note, depicting the helmeted Britannia, was introduced. The old "White Fiver" was withdrawn on 13 March 1961. |
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RUGANTINO - he's definitely around. He posted on this forum just a few days ago to say he'd put up some info about the Lincolns in the 50s and 60s. That post was just last week. He doesn't post on this forum much, but he spends a lot of time on his site, so I'm surprised your emails are getting bounced.
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I don't remember ever seeing a white fiver. Yet I remember 10 bob notes, and even 5 bob notes - that would have been very early 60s, even late 50s - but I definitely never saw a white fiver.
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making me feel young, I don't remember 5 bob note, was only 5 in 61 and the most I ever had was a florin, and some things never change
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i've never even heard of a 5 bob note !
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I was 8 then. I used to get 5 bob notes as christmas presents from my nan and aunts. They were brown, same colour as a ten bob. I think maybe you had to change them at a post office, not sure, grown-ups took care of that bit.
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A very interesting read, and a great touch had by Rugantino.
 Has a year been settled on? |
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my dad made a book at catford dog track in 1954 and on returning home the books were balanced most were
white fivers for good ness sake believe me i must be the oldest on here not quite senile yet |
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s kenbo yes the year would be 1964
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wealthy family then ged, all I ever got was a tanner, orange and apple at bottom of stocking, and a few other bits on to fill it up.
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Thanks, Rug.
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so were did I get my florin you ask, well in 1963, we were having an indoor bathroom built (prior to thisd it was a tin bath in front of fire) anyway one of the builders was a big Sonny Liston fan, and I have my first ever bet, my tanner said Cassius Clay would beat him, hence I copped a florin.
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Well I didn't think we were, but compared with you, maybe we were! My dad was a docker, earning £20 a week - when he wasn't on strike. My nan was doing tanner each-way cross doubles and trebles. Maybe she was a lucky punter!
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My old man was a postie in the morning and window cleaner in afternoon. My first job in a factory in 72 paid me £7.28p a week. Actually felt rich. Then in 75 started in a bookies on 28 quid.
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