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early 70s a horse called rugantino won a nursery at windsor sutcliffe trained ridden by kipper lynch.
backed from 100 to 8 to 6-1 fav tried every where to find an old sporting life of the day no luck.i like to think i was instrumental in the gamble .the major prize was to enable my first purchase of a home.deary love to have the result of the day like what was written in the sporting life at the time. it was my 2 minutes of fame. never to be repeated ,by the way i am now 80.
any help would be much appreciated my offspring think i imagine such a horse
backed from 100 to 8 to 6-1 fav tried every where to find an old sporting life of the day no luck.i like to think i was instrumental in the gamble .the major prize was to enable my first purchase of a home.deary love to have the result of the day like what was written in the sporting life at the time. it was my 2 minutes of fame. never to be repeated ,by the way i am now 80.
any help would be much appreciated my offspring think i imagine such a horse
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Onlooker is ya man
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10/11 each of either onlooker or ged to have something, will depend on who is logged in or can spare the time
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onlooker sorry i dont know who or what onlooker his
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both onlooker and ged are major contributors of historic information to fellow forum posters like ourselves
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hes a poster on here m8
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i see thanks a lot i will look out for both
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well done on the win rugantino, RESPECT for recalling the fractions btw.
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I think i remember him...a grey horse ?
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Few more specific details might assist or speed things up, if you have them, horse was foaled in 1970 so it must have been 72 onwards as a start
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perfect info sir it was 72 or 73 a grey a true grey horse
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this forum is truly remarkable.posy new he was a grey cork new his age and the date of his nursery win
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i have tried timeform racehorses of 72 ,73 no luck there
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... always one to take note of if the money was down imo. ( sutcliffe )
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well sir i was in my ealy 30s 3 kids a wife living in rented housing not unusual them times and
working in the industry . my bet was 1000 to 80 5 times.it enabled me top buy the house in kent for 4.500 outright |
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that was a fair old wedge in those days to be risking ........what did you know rug?
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I remember the horse and John Sutcliffe certainly knew how to get one ready. I recall a massive gamble landed by him with Elan in the Schweppes Hurdle.
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I remember Elan sparrow .
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The world and his wife was in on that gamble, workrider. 9/2 fav I think it ended up in 1965.
Here is a piece about the Coup from the Guardian. Eight years ago, in a column for the Racing Post, the late David Nicholson recalled his part in a classic betting coup in the Schweppes Handicap Hurdle in 1965. "John Sutcliffe ran Elan five times in handicaps in the run-up to the Schweppes," Nicholson said, "with a different jockey on board each time, and the horse was never closer than fourth. "He rang my father two weeks before the race to ask if I could ride, and shrewdly suggested that he recommend an ante-post bet on Elan to the senior steward, General Sir Randle Fielden, who was one of our owners, on the ground that Elan would be wearing blinkers for the first time." Nicholson duly did the business on Elan, beating Rosyth by a length and a half. "There was an inquiry," he added, "but of course, John had the answers prepared before the stewards had thought of the questions - first-time blinkers, the new jockey and so on. It was a very clever bit of training." |
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John pulled off some gambles alright sparrow,and obviously knew how to too prepare the stewards for the shock!
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What with him and Ryan Price the bookies took a real pasting in the Schweppes back in the 60s.
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I just looked up Rugantino on the Allbreed pedigree data base, apparently it was born in 1803 by a sire named Commodore( i used to have one of those) and out of a dam named Moll in the Wad! Must have been about 170 years old when it won at Windsor!
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Mill House springs to mind, I'd say he got some dosh out of that one.
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Hill House and Rosyth both won Price fortunes and got him in a lot of trouble.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Controversial+winners+came+at+a+price%3B+In+the+first+of+a+week-long...-a0218433501 |
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I see that your horse Rugantino went on to become a bit of a jumps sire, best of which was called Grey Tornado trained by Popham in the mid 80s won 5 times for him.
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We need onlooker or ged for information on this horse. I think he was just a handicapper as I recall.
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As has been posted earlier, Rugantino (GB) was foaled in 1970, and went on to sire several half decent jumpers. I can find no record of it running on the flat in the UK. As was also posted earlier, Onlooker and/or ged will perhaps have better info.
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Re the original bet, the OP staked anything between £4500 and £10,000 on this bet in today's value. Which actual today value depends on what measure you choose to use of the various ones available. Some bet.
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Rugantino was foaled in 1962, by Whistler. He was beaten in a nursery at Wolverhampton on Monday August 17, 1964, but came into that race with form figs of 001, so that '1' was perhaps the race the OP is fondly remembering. He was trained by John Sutcliffe. Although when he ran his 2nd race, on Saturday April 4th, 1964, in the first race at Windor (a maiden, on BBC), he was trained by A. Smyth. Another horse having his 2nd run in that 2yo maiden was Specify, who would win the Grand National 7 years later (almost to the day, April 3rd, 1971).
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But that'd be 8/9 years before OP bought his house with the proceeds.
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Thanks ged. I thought he was a 60s horse but the OP seemed pretty sure it was the 70s. 1964 was the year I started betting on a regular basis and I certainly recall the horse if not his form.
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He was definitely of that year. He became a useful 6f handicapper for John Sutcliffe, and won several races, at ages 2,3 and 4, including a 3yo hcap at 11/4 fav ridden by Ron Hutchinson at the Epsom Derby meeting the day after Sea-Bird had waltzed home in the big race.
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Well Rugantino's first win looks to have been in a seller at Lingfield on Friday, July 10, 1964. He came into the race with form figs of 000300. He was still trained by A M Smyth (at East Hendred) - for Jack Hylton (band leader?), and ridden that day by Jimmy Lindley. (His 3rd had come at Bath, ridden by Geoff Lewis). He was bought, so presumably then switched to John Sutcliffe.
So 'the gamble' must have come after Aug 17, not before. (For the above seller, he was paper-forecast to be 4/1 3rd fav, and with Lindley riding and 11 runners, unlikely to have been bet from 100/6). |
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Rugantino won the first race of the 1966/7 NH Season at Newton Abbot, trained by Neville Dent and ridden by Paul Ritchens, seem to remember a race named after him at Newton Abbot in the past
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Thurs Sep 24, 1964. 3.00 Windsor. Englefield Green Nursery. 6f. 18 runners.
1. Rugantino. 6/1 fav. D. Cullen(7-2). 2. Indian Echo. 15/2. F. Smith(7-13) 3. Palmroy. 100/8. D. Keith(8-3). 2 L; 1/2 L. |
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That's the one Ged, well sorted.
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1964 - Des Cullen - 7st 2lbs. Just a couple of pounds of lead then
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F Smith should be E Smith. Indian Echo was trained by Bernard van Cutsem, and Palmroy by Walter Nightingall. The forecast 5/1 fav was Welsh Star, a filly trained by George Beeby, who had won her last 3 races. Rugantino was in the paper at 10/1.
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Excellent work as ever ged, I am sure the OP will be very grateful for your efforts, and, apologies for my error of 1970 as the foaled date, should know better by now, than to trust anything on the RP site...!
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RUGANTINO
if you go on jockeypedia and email George he will email you back the newspaper cards of that day [send him the date] for you to reminisce |