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Is ITV Racing 'dead on arrival'
Is ITV Racing 'dead on arrival'
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A lot of sense is being talked here. We can't all be wrong.
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It's a bit worrying that Paul Cooper mentions "an ITV expert like Mick Fitzgerald..."
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I agree Gary O'brien more articulate & knowledgeable than all others mentioned
His interviews & the questions he asks are relevant & likely to garner positive replies Perhaps he is happy to remain in Ireland |
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GO'B does a good job on atr, where he doesnt have to oversell the product.
Just produce intelligent remarks. He would be required to be a bit more verbal on a prime time channel like itv. Hence the unleashing of hurricane chapman on the wider world. Suppose its not just racing that employs these over selling policies Look at the football when ever england play, all those blethering buffoons predicting an england win whom ever the opponent. I did enjoy it when Roy Keane predicted an italy win in euro 2012, the only surprise with that is they had to wait til penalty kicks to do it. |
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Perhaps the Bookies will need to start their Early Prices later:-0
I used to watch it while having my breakfast. |
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Usually disagree with so much on here but agree totally with the critismn about the so called experts coming on itv , we can't all be wrong can we.
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' people will watch the 10am show on their mobiles '
Utter nonsense. Where do these morons get their ideas from ? |
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I always enjoy the BTCC meetings that are usually televised all day on ITV4, looks like they will try and mix the coverage with horse racing on those days, should be a right mess
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The whole set up smacks of being devised during an away day in a seminar room at some obscure hotel.
A dozen hair brain experts with coloured markers and flip charts, in break out groups , blue sky thinking ideas to reach their ' potential market ' All TOTAL BULLSHIT !!! |
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ITV4 will continue to broadcast every BTCC race-day live, free-to-air and in high definition in 2017, as well as streaming live via the ITV Sport website and the ITV Hub app. Regular highlights programmes will be screened on ITV4 following each event and are also available via their ITV Hub catch-up service.
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Imagine how delusional you have to be to think people will tune into Oily Bell on their mobiles !!!
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Most people aren't interested in racing, that's the cold hard truth. I'm in my early 30s and feel like a belong in a creche most of the time when I go racing. Aside from the meets that attract the pissheads, the average age must be well into the 60's.
The only way we can get the younger generation back into racing is to get them betting on it, but why would they when they can get their hit on having a couple of £5 accumulators on the football each week. |
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Agreed , all through my life as a sports fan and a racing fan in particular , I have not had one friend or colleague who is interested in horse racing other than one Saturday in April.
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But they all love X Factor,Celebrity Chef,Britains Got Talent, and other crap.
So what does this actually say about them  . |
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A major part of the problem is the difficulty in getting a decent bet on - you are encouraged to gain knowledge of horse racing so you might just win long term but bookmakers then prevent any opportunity to do so - they only want the habitual losers & they very quickly run out of the necessary cash - racecourses are now only concerned with the saturday p***heads & don't look at the long term prospects of the sport - the figures at the top don't even want to know about the ordinary punter so the inevitable decline continues - I'm 60 so racing will last my lifetime but in 30 years time who knows!!
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geordie - I can't agree with you about the difficulty in getting on being a reason why racing fails to attract new young interest. It should be perfectly possible to get the bug long before that becomes a problem to you. You and I are around the same age, and I'd bet you had an acquaintence who was a fan that you followed in with small stakes. Go back a generation earlier and you'd find that racing was ingrained in the social psyche. Big days were national events when illicit betting added to the dark dangerous air of intrigue: pre- 1960 my Dad would bet with a guy who operated from a wash room in the back yard of a terrace house in the shadow of a shipyard. We would be with him as he got his bets on, and even at that young age there was something so infectious as he looked up the results in the football pink stop press. That was the root, the exposure to the slighltly seedy thrill of the chase. TV coverage was gimmick free and to be blooded on the measured tones of a Po'S commentary whilst following your bet was to truly know what this game brings to the soul. We are in a different world, and while for the likes of you and me, a horse race will always have that inextricable link to the past, new media will struggle to recreate the passion in an anodyne setting. Its not about family fun days, jargon busting or "magazine" presentation. A 20th century phenomenon - now lost to all but those who experienced it.
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That link whereby father past on the interest to the son has now been broken for good. The generation that first linked betting and LB0's primarily with footy are now in their 30's with children of their own. Racing is pssing against the wind and there is nowt that can be done to halt this decline.
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Facts...watching the programme on mobiles whilst travelling ...guy must be out of his mind to suggest that will be the case.
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on a slighty different note, isnt ruk free tomorrow as no terrestial racing on saturday ?
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you are right m2...early start tomorrow 12.00
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Excellent post Steerforth
I don't have sky/virgin etc so tomorrow without terrestrial tv racing in the afternoon is going to be a novelty. |
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Plunkett and Fitzgerald ? seriously ? FFS, it really is doomed from the off
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Do people really bother watching TV on their mobile phones? OK, admittedly I will watch a race on my phone if I have had a bet and am not home but the idea of watching a morning line style thing on the phone is just laughable, isn't it? The ITV4 channel is a worry. It looks destined to be less successful than Channel 4 to me. Racing needs it to be a success but I could not be confident.
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Nick Luck is presenting on RUK from Newbury
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Yep, I'm sure we'll all be trying to watch the Opening Show on our mobiles while we're on the train to the races; with railway line signals notoriously poor. Nothing like draining your battery before you hit the track is there?
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the watching on your phones bit just shows how out of touch they are before they've even started
a morning programme might work on itv for things like derby day, the national, cheltenham festival etc but oily bell on itv4 with special expert pundits harvey, fitzgerald and turner if that was april the 1st I would lmfao |
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After getting over the initial shock I thought the 8am Morning Line turned out to be a good move. Daft to go back to 9am just as we were gearing up for the winter and midday off times. The 10am start is a write-off for too many people imo.
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agree HM, these days if people want to watch at a later time they can just record it at 8am and watch it back at leisure or there is +1 if you can't record and want a later start time
completely moronic thinking imo and probably a sign of things to come sadly |
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10am bonkers
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10am is purely to suit those people involved in the programme. There is no other valid explanation.
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No chance at 10am for me. Wife watches SMK on one, ritual handover.
End of an era. How many kore like me have they let down with this monumental clash? |
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The morning line should be something that people can watch while having their breakfast....maybe the ITV media types only have brunch?
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If they have largely the same pundits/presenters as the old channel 4 then of course it is finished. You can't do the same thing and expect a different result
A.P.McCoy is no broadcaster good jockeys do not make good presenters |
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Ed Chamberlain = knows nothing about racing. Thinks because he has watched a few races on a Saturday and is mates with McCoy that he knows his stuff. Nick Luck would kick his backside all day long
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Workforce, Itv are not looking to appeal to a racing audience as such. They are looking to appeal to a wider audience, people who will not be looking for 'expert' views. Ed is a very good presenter/braodcaster and a keen racing enthusiast. He fits what ITV are looking for very well. Obviously Nick Luck is a surprise omission as he is excellent and has the knowledge but he isn't known outside racing circles and less likely to attract casual viewers. Those of us who love our racing have to accept that the programme will not be aimed at us. Many of us will have access to atr and racing uk anyway.
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Jesus lads, give it a chance. I think racing on ITV will make for a refreshing change and they have made some good signings on the presenting front, although I accept also some not so good.
When I go racing on Saturday's I never watched the morning line, I was too busy getting myself together! When I didn't go racing I'd rather enjoy staying in bed a bit longer than watch the clowns on the ML. So the 10AM start for this new show is absolutely fine with me. But what's more important is the content of the show, if its as dull as the ML was, then I won#t be watching it whatever time it starts! As for those moaning about ITV4 being an obscure channel? How often was the racing being shoved over to More4 to make way for the incredibly boring F1 racing? I actually like ITV4, its one of the few channels that caters for the working class man type of viewer with good old films, darts and snooker. I think racing will fit in nicely on that channel and after all its only for the lesser high profile meetings. Give ITV a chance lads, they can't do much worse than what C4 were doing with it that's for sure! |
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Workforce 31 Dec 16 13:07 Joined: 03 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 260 | Blogger: Workforce's blog
Ed Chamberlain = knows nothing about racing. Thinks because he has watched a few races on a Saturday and is mates with McCoy that he knows his stuff. Nick Luck would kick his backside all day long The guys has loved the game since he was a kid and his dad use to take him racing. |
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Ed once upon a time was an odds compiler for Laddies
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/19/ed- chamberlin-itv-horse-racing-second-chance-sky-tony-mccoy |