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I take it you are looking forward to it ghh
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Genuinely want it to work as it's great for the sport overall. Just don't think they have the proposition right and suspect bar the major meetings this will be the final chances.
A bit like newspapers who now leave out racecards |
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Quite frankly I can't see what they could do to attract my attention and keep it, and I'm a keen follower of racing.
I suppose I might watch the first show or two out of interest. |
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There will be more Greyhound racing on free to air TV between now and March then
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Dr Crippen. That's the big issue. The RUK/ATR audience now know more than the presenters and there (sadly) doesn't appear to be a new/replacement audience.
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Any racing production looking to inform and entertain with the likes of Turner, Fitzy and Plunkett is shambolic from day 1...
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They will HAVE to be focused on the ratings, especially when advertisers start to drift away due to nobody watching it.
As previously mentioned, Fitzgerald & Plunkett are dreadful appointments, and I feel Hayley Turner will be way out of her depth. |
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Fitzgerald, Turner and Plunkett likely to be marginalised but may come too late
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The three you've mentioned Birkdale, are the biggest problems; I've no issue with anybody else.
Hayley is pleasant and seems lovely person but clearly hasn't an iota. Grand on ATR, but ITV should be held to a higher standard. Plunkett is one I have never seen the attraction with, an overly sentimental twit and television isn't kind to her. Alistar Down would recap events better if you can stop him getting too flowery. Fitz is just atrocious by any objective standard; from the timbre of his voice, to the stiff way he carries himself, to the anodyne platitudes he spouts. Everyone else looks really good, I'd have loved to have seen Francombe and even Jim McGrath working with the rest of the team at the expense of these 3. That would've been the perfect dynamic. I think McGrath would give the broadcast a certain weight on subjects like history and Francombe is a talented broadcaster. The above 3 will make a consummate pro like Chamberlain look bad, drag him down; they even managed it with Nick Luck. For all the phoney racing awards he has won, being associated with the C4 programme containing Fitzy ruined his career. |
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ITV had a great opportunity to re-vamp racing coverage but sadly they've employed the odious Plunkett and the irritant Fitzgerald.
I've actually changed my opinion on Rishi Persad - he's come on leaps and bounds the last couple of years. Ed Chamberlain is a class act and Chapman will be very good I think. But the majority of the coverage being on ITV4 is very worrying for the future of the sport. |
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Agree with much of that and would add that I'm unsure how the worn out Harvey/Weaver act will fare
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Surely it must be blatantly obvious to ITV how poor Fitzy and Turner are. Plunkett must have friends somewhere in the television industry. She should not in anyway way be in front of a camera.
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excellent points neill d....the continued employment across numerous channels with Fitzy is beyond belief, even more so when the likes of Nick Luck are overlooked.
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sometime things happen in the world that genuinely puzzles me.. americans making donald trump president .brits voting to leave the eu.liverpool signing andy carroll.dylan hartley captaining england.thommos continued presence commentating on races. but signing up mick fitz for itv takes the biscuit!!....hes just simply plain awful.i wonder had the itv crew seem and heard him at all?
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Maybe they're saving Plunkett for Cheltenham and the dreadful "shove the microphone on a stick in the jockey's face" routine. To be honest, I haven't actually seen her do anything else. We shall soon find out.
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Have to permanently mute ATR with Fitzgerald now. Voice makes me quite unwell
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Good points neill d
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Think they're points we could all make lads, I forgot about Luke and Jason, not sure where I stand with those guys; they seem almost too comfortable on ATR and feel they can get away with anything. Maybe a stronger hand on Luke in particular could help. There is a genuine warmth about Luke Harvey that could play well with the terrestrial audience.
The team looks too big, anyway. I'd forgotten about the two lads. I wouldn't particularly miss him, but I'm surprised they went with Fitzy over McCoy; maybe McCoy didn't want to take a job off of a mate. Can see McCoy replacing Mick at some stage; just much higher profile and lets be honest, more articulate. |
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McCoy just isn't television, he's got no personality at all.
You might as well listen to Fitz talking bollox as McCoy, at least Fitz is a little more entertaining. |
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briefly took mute off ATR, car parks full, racing is thriving according to Fitzy....sadly it is not Mick..
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Never looked at ITV4 andI suspect most of my generation may give it a miss but racing is in me so it might just work. Can't understand Fitzy's accent so while he may appeal to many from the Emerald isle he can be a turn off for lots of others. Might bet more on dogs and footie from now on.It will be interesting to see viewing figures and betting turnover on the GG's by Easter.
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I wouldn't have McCoy either but I thought they'd go with him.
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They need a must-watch angle. It was McCririck when C4 started.
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ITV 4 does have a mix of sports so maybe now racing on tv has so few viewers this is its natural home.
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But there's nearly 40 days on ITV1. This is going to decide whether racing has a mainstream future. Worrying that they take people that haven't "worked " on C4.
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I'm all in favour as it gets rid of Chapman now and again off ATR.
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ITV 4 advertises its self as a mix of sport and cult classics so maybe they should bring Thommo and Big Mac back as a pair of classic cults.
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As previously mentioned, Fitzgerald & Plunkett are dreadful appointments, and I feel Hayley Turner will be way out of her depth.
The only person I can't suffer is the pouted one. Way out of her depth. I like Gina and Tanya and although I don't know the full line up if Jimbo isn't there I will not be a viewer. Some don't like him but I for one rate Cunningham. Is he also a non-starter? |
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stewartyb, from what I have read..Jimbo and GC are non runners!
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They need something to get people excited eg. Harry F and R Riley in the betting ring.
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stewarty.........if you want jimbos selections in each race...........its fav and 2nd fav in every race............well that's what its been for the last 40 years
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stewartyb, from what I have read..Jimbo and GC are non runners!
In that case OVERSEAS I will watch the first programme and then become a non runner myself! |
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stewarty.........if you want jimbos selections in each race...........its fav and 2nd fav in every race............well that's what its been for the last 40 years
You have that well wrong cardiffc. Jimbo has made plenty out of this game albeit he gets on what he likes with Koral for example. He knows the game inside out ...hence his thirty year stint with Timeform, |
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and his tipping line stopped because it was in profit............I think not
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same as Cunningham........his also went tits up................but he did do the decent thing and gave people their money back
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Paul Cooper, deputy racing editor at ITV Sport, will be in charge of The Opening Show, the equivalent of Channel 4's The Morning Line and he spoke to Mark Popham about plans for the programme which will go out for the first time on ITV4 at 1000 on Saturday, January 7, six days after ITV's first live racing broadcast from the Cheltenham on New Year's Day.
One of the most notable decisions already taken by the new ITV racing team is to put the start time for The Opening Show back an hour from The Morning Line's usual 9am kick-off. But a 10am start is something all concerned are evidently happy about. Cooper, recruited earlier this year from At The Races, declared: "The new time has been well received by the people we have spoken to. Saturday mornings are busy times for people in racing and 10am is a nice start time. "In the winter, there will be a lot more people at the racecourse at that time, with the first race at noon or shortly afterwards. Second inspections are likely to take place during the programme and we will usually have an hour-long broadcast." Obviously, a lot of potential viewers will be out and about at that time on Saturday morning, with plenty travelling to the races but ITV is hoping many of them will be still able watch The Opening Show on their mobiles. It will also be available on ITV4+1 at 11am. Cooper explained about the structure of the new show: "The Opening Show will be a magazine-type programme. "Its aim is very much to cater for both racing fans and more casual viewers, but we are not trying to dumb it down. "Oli Bell will be the main presenter on Saturday mornings and will be joined usually by two other people - an ITV expert like Luke Harvey, Mick Fitzgerald, Jason Weaver or Hayley Turner, and then there will be another guest, probably someone from the racing world. "We have been sounding out guests in advance - jockeys, trainers and owners - and the response has been very encouraging. "Matt Chapman will be a part of the programme too - bombing around the racecourse from 10am, very similar to what he does on At The Races. "We are planning 62 programmes in 2017 - 52 Saturdays, along with the four days of the Cheltenham Festival, Thursday and Friday of the Grand National meeting at Aintree and Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of Royal Ascot. The Cheltenham and the Grand National ones will be an hour and a half - 9.30am until 11am. "The programme will come live from an ITV-branded set on racecourses - inside in the winter but outside if possible in the summer. All the racecourses have been very accommodating about positions inside and out. "Nearly all the positions we have signed off so far have a nice backdrop of the racecourse or part of it. We might do one or two from trainer's yards - I thought that worked well latterly for Channel 4." A fourth person for The Opening Show is possibility from time to time and there will be a racing feature every week - either a focus on connections behind a horse in action or something non-standard. "Victoria Pendleton has done a series of six behind-the-scenes features which will go into the early weeks of the programme. I found these interesting when filming them and I think my wife will too," said Cooper. "We are trying to inform both people in racing and those from outside and features like a day in the life of a racehorse should do that." Cooper is hoping a review of the day's papers, as far as racing goes, and a look at the latest racing news will be a regular part of the Saturday morning programmes. He concluded: "Not every programme is going to be the same - we want to keep it fresh - it will be more of a magazine show than a preview show, but the whole premise will be to showcase what is on ITV that afternoon. "Hopefully, people will enjoy The Opening Show and then watch the racing on ITV in the afternoon." While Matt Chapman is comfortable about his new role in the ITV racing squad rather than taking centre stage, don't expect him to be standing still. He revealed: "I would like to think that the broadcasting is the easy part - whereas the hierarchy may be worried, it is not something that is worrying me. "I hope I will have a vaguely developing role at ITV. I will be in betting rings for ITV and will not have the owners, trainers and jockeys to play off but I will have the betting fraternity. "I want to try and bring some movement to the ring - the one thing that has been very obvious since betting was ever done on TV is that, from John McCririck to Tanya (Stevenson), they are standing pretty still. I will be a bit disappointed if I'm standing still very much - the betting ring is a place of movement. "I will be pointing out the differences in prices and making sure people understand which is better. I hope to do this in a fairly jolly way! "The market is probably the biggest clue that you are going to have in finding winners. A high percentage of races are won by the first three in the market so you have immediately narrowed down the field in most cases. "For me, it is like stocks and shares and I want to engage punters. I want to talk to people - that is what I do. "I want to simplify betting as much as possible without annoying everyone who knows all about it. "The Opening Show role will be more like my ATR role where I have a free rein, though I have a relatively small part to play, with probably three appearances of a couple of minutes each. "I will continue to see what I see and tell it as I see it. Obviously, a terrestrial TV channel has more restrictions on what a presenter is likely to put forward to the public than a dedicated satellite channel for a particular sport so I will try and choose my words carefully without changing my persona." Oli Bell is to become the regular face of The Opening Show and provide a continuity to the new ITV programme which some felt was missing from The Morning Line. The youthful Bell commented: "We want to bring in new people to watch The Opening Show and for instance Luke Harvey is doing a series called jargon busting, each about 30 seconds long, which will be part of the process. "I come from a racing family so the sport is in my blood, but I go to the races as a fan. I want to convey the excitement of forthcoming big races to the viewers. "We are fundamentally a magazine programme which is there to educate and set up what is coming on ITV Racing in the afternoon. "There is a lot of nostalgia we can touch on. For me and people of my age who may not understand the historical context of races, there will be ITV archive footage to show. "Racing is a sport which is brilliant because there are so many stories to be told and so many people to tell them, whether they are a stable lad, an owner, a trainer or a jockey. "We want to make the show as enjoyable as we can - what ITV offers is a platform to be seen and heard by a lot of people. "This is a huge job for me and I am aware of the pressure and the responsibility as much as anyone." Bell's introduction on ITV Racing will be at Musselburgh on New Year's Day afternoon, with races shown from the Scottish course as well as from Cheltenham. looks v much as expected...same sh1t different channel ![]() |
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Superbikes and touring cars are on itv4
thats just about the level of most racing weekends i am sorry to say. ITV will get big audiences for chelt, the national, ascot and the derby so the key events will be in the public eye Can not ask for anything more in the current climate. As for the pundits.. ..well when you have backed a winner you would put up with ant and dec talking him home When its a loser, well, the first thing that comes into my mind when some of them start talking is...'where is osama bin laden when you need him?' Respected pundits who adopt a professional attitude to broadcasting like mcgrath and luck and to my miind the much maligned cunningham will be a great loss. Peter O'Sullevan revealed he kept the same clipped monotone accent to his commentaries as he didnt want to appear triumphalist when he knew the vast majority of his audience would in all probability be backing a loser. A lesson many in the game could learn today. |
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Head and shoulders above the whole crowd is Gary O'Brien
Shame he is Irish , surely must be brought over for Cheltenham and Aintree |