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wiiner at catterick weighed 2lb light
wiiner at catterick weighed 2lb light
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neither wonder not many win gambling...plenty dont even know the rules.
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there is no opinion involved in a jockey weighing in light and no punter should be able to gain/lose because of this scenario
in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on. these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided. |
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kjansch 13 Dec 16 21:25
there is no opinion involved in a jockey weighing in light and no punter should be able to gain/lose because of this scenario in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on. these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided. You appear to have forgotten that pre-race players also have an opinion. |
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you void the in running part..not too difficult
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What is so special about the in-running backer that the official result does not apply to them?
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ehh because in running punters play at much larger/smaller odds than SP punters...
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Are you Bert's brother?
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no im not related to bert jansch
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surely the reason people lay 1.01/1.02 about horses when they're virtually past the post is to hedge the possibility of an objection or scales problem.the traders who go around hoovering up these short prices thinking its a done deal should expect the occasional setback.
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i would say it is to hedge but not for reasons given - more to secure their position or trade for profit.
Maybe you're right though..but it happens so rarely that it is out of the range of betfair odds so good luck playing that angle |
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declare horse weighing in light a non runner and return bets for SP punters - rule 4
Void bets on in running players People responsible for the error are the only ones that suffer from the error |
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How can you void all in running bets when the actual second would probably have won with the first past the post winner carrying the correct weight (in the majority of instances)? If I was on the second and only had my stake back I wouldn't be happy at all.
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kjansch is talking utter rubbish to expect 2 different results to apply to the same race.
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how about people who back horses that have already fallen u/r etc.. should they be voided/refunded kjansch?
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I don't get this idea that 'Snapping Turtle would have won if the winner had carried the correct weight'. People seem to have assumed the weights fell out before the race and not during the race and also haven't taken into account that the first past the post was almost certainly idling.
The betting rules are correct and fair as they stand though of course the risk of skullduggery is a significant one. One day a horse will win comfortably whilst continuing to be laid in running and then weigh in very light. |
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Surely you just get over things like this, I can only imagine over staking an issue here if this is causing so much upset, it's a rare event and these things will happen.
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PP Paid disq. in shops
well done just collected |
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I'm sure most wouldn't mind if Betfair voided the race in such circumstances.
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The rules have been applied correctly as they currently stand. Going forward, I cannot see why treating the horse as a non-runner should not apply. Obviously with the application of an appropriate rule 4.
For all we know the weight could have been lost in the parade ring before the race. If this was the case, people were backing this the favourite and under no circumstance did they have any chance of winning. This cannot be fair or ethical. |
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^^^^^
Actually, ignore what I just said. Probably open to too much corruption. Owner has a lump on his horse... the horse loses.. the jockey weighs in light... Job done !!! |
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that is the loophole equine- i agree
but that loophole already exists is the counter argument |
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i should qualify - in that a horse needs to be handicapped..
you see horses weighing in light in various races..down the field |
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roida - hard lines on the loss if there was one. Is this just one of those things that you can't really account for (given its rarity), so just take it on the chin and carry on exactly as before. Can only assume that, as striding says, unless you've massively overstaked, it's not something you worry yourself too much about?
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no...luckily i never worry.
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Rob_The_Bantam
I'm surprised you've managed to escape from zodies a$$ |
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swam to land from the yatch
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anyone else still not has this market settled?
I had layed the original winner pre race but in the transactions the bets still show as ERR and and in the profit/loss statement the market doesn't show up at all. anyone the same or knows why that could be? I have contacted betfair twice, response was that it would be settled soon, but its 3 days now... thanks |
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it was settled later that day..go on live chat and speak to them.
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Get more sense from livescore.com than livechat, probably get told to clear your cookies and cache
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