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Deary me, can someone please explain it to this fcukwit, I can't be arst with him
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over the age of about 12 who uses the expression back in the day.
And pleeeaaaase I can't believe you have ever heard a kid use that phrase, are you fcuking insane? |
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Captain Christy 06 Jul 16 19:21
Deary me, can someone please explain it to this fcukwit, I can't be arst with him. I think my user name needs to be on that as the poster of that message unfortunately. There's nothing funnier than someone else clearly incapable of comprehending the actual point being made here and then trying to talk down to others. |
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There is actually nothing funnier than continuing to think everyone else is wrong and you are right.
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And argument consisting of 'I know you are but what am I?' and 'I'd expect someone under 12 to say that', well words fail me, I haven't heard these since I was at primary school myself, but as that is your level I shall leave you to it.
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Captain Christy, you are worse for engaging with the prikk. I blocked the tool many moons ago and I haven't regretted it. He'd argue with his toes, if you said it was night he'd say it was day. He's just an argumentative tossser who thinks he's a lot more clever than he actually is.
You only have to look at the times he posts to see what kind of fruitcake we are dealing with, it's invariably in the middle of the night . |
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That it is entirely possible for a jockey to take payment to deliberately get beaten when those paying him lay it in play on here has never been in question by me, yet what you are struggling to grasp Captain Christy is when those who say that was the case with Ballinger Ridge, my view on that and the circumstance I specifically questioned were:
"Well if you think a jockey can go 10L clear, ease down a furlong out and then start vigorously riding his horse again with half a furlong to go and then get beaten a nose in his one and only chance of doing it then that really is amazing." I was questioning the likelihood of that jockey being such a great judge of pace that he could do that and yet deliberately still get beaten by such a narrow margin, especially considering he has no control over what happens with the other horse too. Now I'm sorry, I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you, that's your goal to try to achieve and of course I think I'm always right. I'm hardly going to argue my case thinking I'm wrong am I, or are you telling me that's something you do then? Oh and the irony of you using expressions like "back in the day" as if you think you are somehow getting "down wid da kids innit" and then when I suggest nobody over 12 with any self respect should be using Americanisms like that, you make reference to primary school behaviour. You'll be wearing baseball caps back to front next I would imagine! And yet you continue to post without fail in almost every thread I post in and make reference to me mincer11. As for being called a pr1ck, tool or **** by you, I find that quite amusing coming from someone who would struggle to pour water out of a welly boot without instructions on the heel. Oh and just because you clearly have your waking up, meal times and lights out decided for you, doesn't mean that everyone else has a institutionalised lifestyle or does a 9-5 job. There has to be something mentally deficient about someone who has to resort to instigating person abuse on the basis of just happening to take a different view on certain subjects than someone else, but I expect you're a bit of an old hand at personal abuse anyway. |
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Ballinger Ridge was a pig of a horse.The day fallon rode him he was still a 19 race madian runing off a mark of 60.He was a horse i would lay all day.
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True cloone river but without a doubt the horse could and should have won that particular race and Fallon himself I doubt would deny that, but the fact it didn't win splits those who know it was a genuine human error c0ck up and those who prefer fairy tales.
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but the fact it didn't win splits those who know it was a genuine human error c0ck up and those who prefer fairy tales
You don't KNOW though, your opinion is that it was human error. Only Fallon and a few people will know if it was actually corrupt. |
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I know what my eyes see and I know common sense and probability too.
He raced tight up against the rail which was to his left and looked over his right shoulder and saw he was clear and OK from the rest of the field, yet didn't spot the fav due to it also racing tight on the rail in his slipstream. He later took a second look over his right shoulder and then saw the fav which had by now drifted off of the rail and was racing down the centre of the course. You then physically see Fallon get the shock of his life having not previously seen the fav and start to get his horse going again, only to be beaten a nose by today's distances and the probability of being able to do that on his one and only go at it is extremely unlikely and was what Captain Christy was struggling to understand. What I also know is he was banned for 21 days and missed the Dubai World Cup meeting as a result but wasn't banned for throwing the race. I also know the Old Bailey case was rightly laughed out of court too. I also know his horse was 15/8 on the day and was beaten by the 8/11f (albeit that it shouldn't have been) and the rest of the runners were priced at 9/1, 20/1, 25/1, 25/1, 50/1, 66/1, 66/1 and 66/1, so it was hardly a shock that he thought the odds-on fav would be the most likely winner if asked by anyway, considering his own mount was still a maiden after 19 races. I must admit, it's also the first time I've ever heard of a jockey supposedly pulling a horse to let the odds-on fav win and apparently those laying Ballinger Ridge won £26k with a potential liability of £72k, so if the rest were no hopers and you have the jockey on the main danger to the fav in your pocket, then why not stick £72k on the fav and at the very least double the amount you stand to win? |
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captain nonsensical needs to stop with the feckwit comments and go take a long hard look in the mirror....if he thinks that was a fixed race
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then why not stick £72k on the fav and at the very least double the amount you stand to win?
Not sure how you double your money on an 8/11 shot plus I am pretty sure that some odds on shots do get beat. HTH |
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Not sure how you double your money on an 8/11 shot
He means you put the 72k on the 8/11 and you would of won almost double the amount you would of laying 72k on Ballinger. |
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Broadsword, I saw innumerable instances of this guy at work in his prime. They thought they could prove it with Ballinger Ridge as it appeared the most blatant.
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I didn't actually say you would double your money on a 8/11 winner, I said "double the amount you stand to win" but fair enough, we can all misunderstand what someone else means from time to time.
Yes of course some odds-on shots get beaten Magic__Daps but I've already covered how the rest were no-hopers considering the fav was 8/11, the 2nd fav 15/8 and then the next in the betting was 9/1 with everything else was 20/1 and bigger, suggesting it was a 2 horse race and one of those was apparently already bought and paid for. Plus if a 19 times raced maiden is 15/8 2nd fav in a maiden then that gives you some ideal of the quality of the rest of them bar the first two in the betting. Thank you for explaining that grey shark and 8/11 was the SP, which presumably would have been bettered on here too. |
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Blocked
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And yet you somehow felt the need to say so Captain Christy.
I wish I could block out your nonsense about: Captain Christy 08 Jul 16 20:24 Broadsword, I saw innumerable instances of this guy at work in his prime. They thought they could prove it with Ballinger Ridge as it appeared the most blatant. So let's look at the 27 races involved in the court case where Darren Williams lost on 4 from 4, Fergal Lynch lost 5 out or 6 and admits regarding the one he won on that nothing was good enough to go by him and yet Fallon won on 5 out of 17, which is a winning strike rate of around 29-30% and this was when he was trying to lose? Any jockey would be delighted with that strike rate when trying to win, plus the 5 winners Fallon rode cost the layers £160,256, £165,905, £105,078, £106,832 and £19,140. Clearly a well run race-fixing syndicate then, or then again maybe the jockey wining all of these races and costing the syndicate such big money wasn't actually aware that he was supposed to be losing on them and someone within that syndicate might just have overplayed their hand a little about how sure they were those horses would be losing. I don't doubt for one minute that Fallon gave out opinions on his mounts to people (both good and bad opinions) and he admitted as much at his trial that Michael Owen used to ask him for them via text and I expect he gave them out to Shaun Lynch and Philip Sherkle too, but I would find it hard to believe that he would be charging them for that, although clearly any of them were free to back or lay horses based on those opinions. |
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Blocked and rightly so Captain Christy , you can't say I didn't pre warn you , I've been through this nonsense before with this lunatic .
You won't regret it either, I can guarantee it. Not a bad idea either is to block anyone who agrees with the fool on a regular basis, and I have done that to broadsword who I assume is backing him up on this thread. |
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Nothing to do with the subject of the thread, but, out of interest, may I ask a genuine question about laying?
Do individuals actually lay £72K on known non-triers on the exchanges? Personally, I know nothing about this side of things, though I am convinced that there are plenty of non-triers in racing. That view is based on watching races, and, from talking to jockeys over the years. |
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When betfair was at its height and certain jockeys were riding it was way obvious that it was going on. But certain rides, bans and monitored accounts and individuals mean that there is less of it these days. Certainly there have been convictions and warnings off.
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I'd be surprised sean rua if Ballinger Ridge was a known non-trier considering how the horse was ridden and a far more likely scenario would be that Fallon had been asked about the chances of his mounts that day at Lingfield and Ballinger Ridge still being a maiden after 19 races and with a likely odd-on fav in the race presumably wasn't one he was over keen on.
I suppose if you directly or indirectly have the word that the jockey doesn't fancy his mount then you would lay it for as much as you could but I suppose a lot depends on definitions of and individual judgements of what was a non-trier and what just wasn't good enough to win. Seems odd though that Fallon rode the 9/4f in that race before Ballinger Ridge that was a winner the time before but there were no records found of the syndicate having layed that, but perhaps when asked he told the likes of Shaun Lynch and/or Philip Sherkels (who were part of that syndicate) that that horse had a chance. Ironically it finished a well beaten 9th and you would have thought they could have cleaned up on it considering they supposedly had bought off the jockey. Fallon also rode the Evens fav in the race after Ballinger Ridge too which was also beaten and there are no records of the layers having layed this one either, yet I can probably think of a reason why. Plus just for good measure, the next race on the card was won by Darren Williams and trained by Karl Burke the jockey and trainer for syndicate leader Miles Rodgers's horses and the final race was also won by Williams on the 13/8f but once again no records were found of the syndicate ever laying those horses. Yet despite all of those specific details and evidence to help support what I am suggesting, the likes of Captain Christy and mincer11 instead of challenging or refuting any of that, instead choose to tell me that I'm a fcukwit, prikk and a tool......A quite interesting way to conduct a debate.  |
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Thanks, lads.
Probably showing my naivity here, but is it actually commonplace for an individual to bet a horse to lose £72K (lay) on the exchanges? I realise betting syndicates and bookmakers probably do, regularly. |
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I'm sure it does happen but I suppose it all depends on what you consider commonplace but I wouldn't have thought it was the norm in relation to the size of most people's bets, purely because not everyone would be able to cover the liability.
I'm sure some others will tell you that it is commonplace but you have to ask yourself how would they know? |
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Good point, ima, but
I don't believe the exchanges have really given this "transparency" they used to boast about. Surely, somebody "inside" must see and monitor what goes on? In my case, the biggest bet I ever saw going on at a track was Barney C at Epsom. Didn't actually see any money change hands, but read later that the successful wager was for many thousands. All I saw was his stepping up and saying something to the bookie. Undoubtedly, there is a bit of "laying off" on course among bookies, but, imo, the most is done via the Machine. Pretty sure we can't see everything, so we start second-guessing. That seems to be what happened with the Ballinger Ridge thing, imo. Best forgotten, imo. My best memory of the King was his winning the arc on Dylan Thomas. That's the one I'll try to keep. |
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and wasn't Dylan Thomas in that Arc the day before the Old Bailey trial started?
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Any chance of someone digging a six foot hole and burying this thread in it?
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