No I didn't feel hurt by it MJK, it's jsut that I just have a bit of a tendency to become a little flippant when I hear or read what I consider to be nonsense.

Sorry if you maybe feel hurt by that.

people who suffer from depression are obviously more prone to addictions.......when u r in pain, u will reach for something to take u out of it..........best of luck kieran.........try and stay away from recreation drugs and alcohol........

Its a pity the Dublin drug gang didnt get a hold of him and then he wouldnt have to worry about this phantom depression.
What are all these cokks doing wishing him well because hes suffering from depression.
Who the fukk says hes depressed ? The only one i hear saying it is himself, and i wouldnt believe him if he told me today was Monday.

if you are alive today and not at least mildly depressed on occassions, you are violently delusional

ima mazed

Triads in turmoil.

duffy

"no way would he get a tv gig, too unreliable, there'd be an empty chair more times than not, with the presenter having to inform us Kieren was "stuck in traffic"



My lasting image of Fallon will be those years when he was at his best, focused and controlled, he was easily one of the all-time greats. I know a lot of events went spiralling out of his control, even though a lot of it was his own making. A bit surprised he has depression, always thought Fallon was tougher than most, but we don't know the inner turnmoil he must have been going through.

i know he rode the guineas winner, doesnt change the fact he was a shadow of the jock he was in the late 90s or early noughties

No, just changes the fact that he was no longer riding the quality of horses supplied by Cecil, O'Brien and Stoute that he was in the 90s or early noughties.

Like I said, it's more about the horses than jockeys and Dettori couldn't buy a winner when he first came back from his ban and old stable associations had moved on. Yet once he started getting back on better ones owned by Al Shaqab Racing and then got the Gosden job, he's never looked back.

From winning the Arc on Dylan Thomas and then being banned, until coming back from that ban Fallon rode 42 group race winners and with the most recent being in May of this year, including several Gr1 or Grade 1 winners in several countries with home and overseas classic and Royal Ascot winners in those totals. Plus in the first few full seasons after coming back when still trying for the jockey title he rode 140 and 154 winners and finished 3rd in the jockey table in one of those seasons.

Of course if you only concentrate on the bread and butter type races and poor quality horses he was riding where many were well beaten around halfway, then it's easy to conclude he was a shadow of his former self, yet if that were true then how do you explain those 42 group race wins? Was he forgetting and then remembering again what to do between those winners or suddenly improving and then deteriorate again between them?

its harder to win on bad horses than good horses, he won on a hell of a lot of bad horses that n one else would have

I congratulate you michael59 as it takes a special kind of talent to get so much wrong in such a relatively short post.

Fallon was a brilliant jockey but a flawed human being but the funniest part was the bit about pulling Ballinger Ridge though and if you genuinely believe that then I don't really need to go any further.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/racing/fallon-threw-race-on-ballinger-ridge-in-deliberate-act-which-made-pound26000-396427.html                                                                                          this is what was reported at the time sad i cant put up the actual race as its strangely missing ,,,

Well if you think a jockey can go 10L clear, ease down a furlong out and then start vigorously riding his horse again with half a furlong to go and then get beaten a nose in his one and only chance of doing it then that really is amazing.

As for relying on the New of the World as a source for the Triads claim, not only did they have to settle out of court when Fallon took legal action but whatever happened to that fine newspaper anyway? Why not go to court if they had such strong evidence against Fallon? I've read on here too when trying to justify the claims that the Hong Kong Jockey Club refused Fallon a licence to ride there on the back of those claims, when he was injured and that's why his licence wasn't renewed:

Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges, the Hong Kong Jockey Club's director of racing, said last night: "I spoke with Kieren Fallon in July 2000 about a month after the fall in which he injured his shoulder and it was already clear at that stage that he would not be fit enough to ride in Hong Kong the next season.

"That is why he did not come to Hong Kong again. But he is not barred from racing here - in fact, he was licensed to ride at the last international meeting in December and the only reason he did not come was because he did not have a ride."

Henry Cecil also had to pay Fallon £300,000 in an out-of-court settlement for unfair dismissal regarding the sex with his wife allegations, which probably the basis behind such claims as "he was supposedly shagging any mans wife."

From what I have heard Stuart Webster was a bit of a weighing room bully and in that particular race at Beverley almost put a young apprentice over the rails with a dangerous move during the race and rightly or wrongly, that's the reason he pulled him off his horse and not "cos he couldnt get his way" and I'm sure plenty of young and now not so young jockeys will tell you that Fallon helped and looked after them when they first started riding and often at a finical cost to himself.

Webster also falsely claimed Fallon assaulted him after the race back in the weighing room, a claim printed in the NotW after which the paper later issued an apology to Fallon, acknowledging the allegation was false. Then when the Andrew Longmore's book Kieren Fallon The Biography of the Controversial Jockey was published, it repeated Webster's quotes without reference to the subsequent retraction from the NotW. The publisher's then decided the book then had to be recalled from off the shelves.

So not really much left to work with from your initial post michael59 and I would also imagine anywhere the Ballinger Ridge video appeared online also has highly libellous comments from people appearing with it, so that is probably the reason the hosting sites of the videos either removed them or were asked to do so for legal reasons.

it takes a special kind of talent to get so much wrong in such a relatively short post.

Ima - you tend to do it on a regular basis though.


And in my opinion Fallon was cheating on Ballinger Ridge regardless of what you say or put up, but I do feel a little sorry for anyone with depression.

michael59 05 Jul 16 17:21
cor hark at u lot waxing lyrical about a jockey to my mind that was so deep in corruption of our sport its beyond belief , he was involved with the chinese mafia , he was supposedly shagging any mans wife , he apparrentley likes a snifter or 5 he pulled ballinger ridge, he pulled a fellow jockey off a horse cos he couldnt get his way ( stewart webster ) the man imho was not a nice fella and i hope hes effing depressed , theres a hell of lot that are now smiling hes gone , cheerio i say and good ridd................
And i bet this is a guy who never did any wrong.

Re ballinger ridge, ever heard of 'in play' betting on a website called 'betfair'? You should look into it, win or lose you can make a profit, hth.

^^^^^^ please retire from this nonsense you head case ^^^^

I don't think you quite understand how in-play betting works Ima, back in the day it was where a huge amount of money used to go. Perhaps there is a youtube tutorial for you to watch to help you out