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Citing severe depression.
Shocker, although that explains his AWOLS.
Marmite man, end of an era - good luck with your battles King Kieren.
Shocker, although that explains his AWOLS.
Marmite man, end of an era - good luck with your battles King Kieren.
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The best to have ridden in my betting life even with his many problems
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I do think depression and sport are incompatible at the top level. Hope he gets better once out of the spotlight.
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It's a game that can't be won saddo if you've got that chemistry in your brain you just repeat behaviour until the inevitable it's gottabe harder for those in the spotlight though nowhere to hide and constant pressure
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He is the reason im in this game and the reason i live my life the way i do now.
The absolute greatest jockey since piggot (before my time) A true horseman who had everything. In his pomp he was for me in the top 10 competitive athletes of all time. A true master. He has another battle on his hands but hopefully he can divert his energy into getting himself mentally sound again. He has to get through this. Close the chapter in his life and begin to create a new one on his terms. Goodluck Kieren, when you are going through hell keep going. |
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He is the reason im in this game and the reason i live my life the way i do now.
The absolute greatest jockey since piggot (before my time) A true horseman who had everything. In his pomp he was for me in the top 10 competitive athletes of all time. A true master. Can't argue with any of that I admit that man is part of some of the best experiences of my life |
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A very sad state of affairs , not my fav by a long chalk but nobody deserves to be in that dark place . I wish him well and hope things work out for him .
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Ima mazed will present a 35 page summary of his life and times later today.
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Don't think he will be too disappointed. Still got Spencer in his 'stable' and I am sure there are hours of endless fun to be had with Oisin.
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"glug glug 'hic'" ..
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Murtagh wasn't holding any punches talking about Fallon on ATR, clearly still in the dark ages,
Let's just hope him or his family ever suffer with depression,Maybe then his attitude about it may change. |
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It is all rather sad.
There's no doubt Kieren is a seriously flawed character but he was not without humour and I agree that in his heyday there is a strong case he was the best since Piggott. The diagnosis does explain some of his odd behaviour in the last few years. |
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Matt Chapman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMAHJKUBuc |
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part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vIG9i6Eu4 |
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part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3tEHXUU7Y |
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part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vIG9i6Eu4 |
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CheltenhamRoar, you can't blame people for not understanding how terrible it can be. They simply have no idea what it can do if they aint come across it. It's just ignorance of the condition.
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One of the all-time greats.
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I had a good friend who suffered from this illness. I visited hin one day and noticed he had a pack of Prozac on his table. Sadly he took his own life approx: nine months later.
I don't have the figures at hand but the amount of people who take there own lives in this country is frightening. (the majority being men) |
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At his best he was sensational and the finest jockey of his era. Of course he was a flawed genius but that's the way I like them. The riding equivalent of Diego Maradona with a hint of Ronnie O'Sullivan.
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I remember he did a (very good) interview with Lydia Hislop after riding a winner at one of the big Spring meetings (might have been Chester) and there were a couple of hints as to what the problem was - it was almost as if he wanted to talk about it openly but could n't bring himself to do so.
It must be a very difficult condition for a professional athlete to manage -motivation is key and yet you might be struggling to find a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Good luck to him - the key will be finding the best way to manage his condition for him. |
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ITV should sign him for their coverage. His knowledge of horses is as good as his riding.
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Hopefully now that his state of health has been revealed to the public, he will be given the appropriate privacy and will choose to surround himself with people who have his best interests at heart to combat this awful condition that affects far more individuals than most realise.
Some of my most cherished moments and memories from the track are from an era when Kieren was central to everything that happened, so much so that I named my first born after him, just as well it was a boy...! My best wishes to him for recovery from this illness that so few understand. |
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As someone has already said - he was marmite and you could love him and hate him usually on the same day but no one could ever question his undoubted talent - he deffo goes down as one of the greats in the modern era and heres wishing him all the best support in the world in his battles ahead
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Hope he gets well soon but his days as a top class rider ended with the bad fall that damaged his shoulder. He was never quite as good after that.
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Cork Langer:
I think from the number of Kieren's riding at the moment that many others did as well. When first seeing him riding in Scotland and the North he was a favourite of mine. I hope that he can make a good recovery. Did Pat Eddery's problems not also start with depression? In many way being a Jockey is a lonely life and with long days and all the travelling is a hard one. He would be a great pundit for ITV when it starts its racing coverage and when he writes his memoirs they will be sensational. |
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Many inside the industry have been aware for a number of years, though I doubt that most appreciated to what degree or understood what the actual problem was.
Now that it is public news though it will hopefully lift some of the burden he has been carrying around with him, I hope that he will reach a point sometime in the future where he is able to provide us with his memoirs, as you say they should be a must read. |
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never looked happy to me its like every smile was forced , when he was good he was good , but he actually looked worn out in the end , don't think he cd have laced steve cauthen boots myself ,
depression is not a sign of weakness , its just you have been trying too hard for too long sometimes ! |
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Wouldn't wish depression on anyone so i hope he gets over that. However, from a racing point of view it's simply good riddance. Simply not to be trusted.
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saddo 04 Jul 16 11:24
CheltenhamRoar, you can't blame people for not understanding how terrible it can be. They simply have no idea what it can do if they aint come across it. It's just ignorance of the condition. Disagree Saddo. Sure, suffering from any disease gives you first hand experience, but you can gain knowledge of an illness and an appreciation of its consequences without actually having to suffer yourself. There's plenty of information in the daily press/media/ tv concerning mental health issues nowadays. The internet is also a wealth of information of people's actual struggles. Ignorance is no excuse |
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sparrow 04 Jul 16 10:33
Ima mazed will present a 35 page summary of his life and times later today. I'm guessing there's an element of friendly ribbing there but even so, I leave that to others who seem far more obsessed by him than I'll ever be. My only thought on it is I wouldn't be too surprised if he came back to race riding later on. |
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I said a long time ago on here that the day he stops riding he seems the type that will top himself. I obviously hope that doesn't happen and didn't know at the time of his depression, though this is not a long term thing afaik and as such he shouldn't be treated like the saint you'll no doubt think he is after reading the various cringeworthy stuff from the journos tomorrow. Some people have obviously lost the run of themselves with the plaudits on here but that's their opinions. Like about 99% of Irish racing fans he couldn't hold a candle to Murtagh or Kinane at their best imop.
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Very sympathetic
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MJK 04 Jul 16 14:56
.....Like about 99% of Irish racing fans he couldn't hold a candle to Murtagh or Kinane at their best imop. In fairness I'd have said most Irish racing fans don't ride enough winners to hold a candle to any jockey. |
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My favourite jockey in his pomp and the one you'd have your last quid on, although those who were unlucky enough to have said quid on Ballinger Ridge one day would beg to differ.
I think that's as well balanced as one could get on the subject, hope he finds someway of dealing with the illness and continues working with horses in some way as I think I recall him saying before that he likes the stuff within the yard and on the gallops. Good Luck Kieren. |
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Kinane and Murtagh were better jockeys than Fallon. And, as for those who have suggested he should be on ITV when they get the gig, there are enough ex jockeys in the media who are crap without one more!
I wish him well though. |
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brilliant jockey in his pomp, will be much missed
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no way would he get a tv gig, too unreliable, there'd be an empty chair more times than not, with the presenter having to inform us Kieren was "stuck in traffic"
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