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im sure the leave camp will be thrilled a respected paper like the sun is endorsing them!!
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They will be thrilled. It gives us a massive chance and other papers will follow.
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so the sun is the yardstick for the british press?!!? hmm
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the mail seems to be leaning that way
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Which Mail?
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theres about 5 mails in different countrys..differnt opinions depending on the readership..!!
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OUT for me.
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Daily Mail - Out
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You have to vote LEAVE, just imagine how much money we will save. This will allow a right wing Tory government to invest heavily in our public services.
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brigust do you want to post the many more people who say Brexit would be a big mistake now? You won't have to search hard to find them. Or are you going to remain completely blinkered to any arguments that don't match your own?
Btw, James Dyson decided to move a load of British jobs to Malaysia about a decade ago. A real shining representative for the leave case there. |
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if brigust cant figure out that Frankel is better than Brig Gerard, how can you expect him to get this right?
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A vote to remain suggests that the voter believes the EU has actually been good for the people of Europe. Is this true?
Look at Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece. Look at their unemployment figures. The figures for the young are near 50%. ...And the Euro? Has this been a help or a hindrance? Strangely, we seem to be doing better outside the eurozone than those in it. We've been in the EU for 43 years. Are we really better off in? Or are we actually PAYING for its over-bearing bureaucracy. PAYING for its profligate spending. Can the country continue to import a net 300,000+ Immigrants a year. Can we really house, feed, school and cover the medical costs of these people and their children ad infinitum? I'm Voting leave so that we can take back control. |
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mecce the undisputed concern of the majority is immigration;cut european legislature and that will then undoubtedly be then in our own hands.
and please dont quote swiss trade relation deals over immigration-it is not a comparison with our economy Is that the same UK economy that has become successful within the EU chavman? It isn't difficult to understand that an EU, committed to the principle of free movement, is not going to back down easily on that when negotiating a trade deal with a UK that will be more than desperate to do a deal of any kind. It remains to be seen if immigration is the undisputed concern. When push comes to shove in these things the economy usually wins the day. If it doesn't this time the likelihood will be that people are going to wish they'd made it so in years to come. |
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Britain Elects @britainelects · 5m5 minutes ago
EU referendum poll: Remain: 40% (-1) Leave: 47% (+4) (via TNS, online) holy foook ![]() |
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mecce we have the 7th strongest economy in the world-not neglecting the fact that the other strong european nations want their own referendum..
the whole of europe knows if we leave only the strongest nations will prosper |
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surely the european experiment is only a revisit to the early 1930s of pre germanic gain of european supremacy
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Britain Elects @britainelects · 5m5 minutes ago
Wasn't aware of an embargo re: this poll, my apologies. I'm just a humble Twitter account! ![]() ![]() |
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the germans have made massive money from the greek bailout as they are the creditors.mate.
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whether that was on your radar or not that is fact
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mecce we have the 7th strongest economy in the world-not neglecting the fact that the other strong european nations want their own referendum..
I'll say again we've become one of the largest economies in the world whilst in the EU. Prior to us joining we'd been left behind by France and Germany. Precisely why we did join in the first place actually because a reliance on bilateral and Commonwealth trade deals just wasn't cutting it anymore. On current progress we are likely to become the biggest economy in Europe in the next decade or so. And leavers want to risk all that to return to the days of trade deals that had failed. Oh and for people who keep proclaiming we can "take back control", just about every tory on both sides is very much in favour of TTIP, a deal currently being held back by the likes of France. You think we have a loss of sovereignty now? Just wait till a tory government starts negotiating deals like that. |
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What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is a series of trade negotiations being carried out mostly in secret between the EU and US. As a bi-lateral trade agreement, TTIP is about reducing the regulatory barriers to trade for big business, things like food safety law, environmental legislation, banking regulations and the sovereign powers of individual nations. It is, as John Hilary, Executive Director of campaign group War on Want, said: “An assault on European and US societies by transnational corporations.” Since before TTIP negotiations began last February, the process has been secretive and undemocratic. This secrecy is on-going, with nearly all information on negotiations coming from leaked documents and Freedom of Information requests. 1 The NHS Public services, especially the NHS, are in the firing line. One of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe’s public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS. 2 Food and environmental safety TTIP’s ‘regulatory convergence’ agenda will seek to bring EU standards on food safety and the environment closer to those of the US. But US regulations are much less strict, with 70 per cent of all processed foods sold in US supermarkets now containing genetically modified ingredients. By contrast, the EU allows virtually no GM foods. 3 Banking regulations TTIP cuts both ways. The UK, under the influence of the all-powerful City of London, is thought to be seeking a loosening of US banking regulations. America’s financial rules are tougher than ours. They were put into place after the financial crisis to directly curb the powers of bankers and avoid a similar crisis happening again. TTIP, it is feared, will remove those restrictions, effectively handing all those powers back to the bankers. 4 Privacy Remember ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement)? It was thrown out by a massive majority in the European Parliament in 2012 after a huge public backlash against what was rightly seen as an attack on individual privacy where internet service providers would be required to monitor people’s online activity. 5 Jobs The EU has admitted that TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the US, where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment. 6 Democracy TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments. |
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Chavvers, the Germans got a lot of the Greek loan money back years ago. Told em shlt loads of weapons as soon as they helped them get in the EU depite them not really qualifying on financial grounds.
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*sold
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The TTIP has been thrown back at the Yanks by the EU for all the above reasons.
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Brigust, no 6 under the heading Democracy, is surely all ready been abused by the E.U.
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nah saddo,the greek debt is mostly to germany and every bailout lines german coffers
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google germany prospers from greek bailout-every german makes 1100 euro a year from it
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Whether you're in or out you cannot deny the momentum is with out. I had £250 @ 15/8 on out yesterday and am tempted to have the same again @ 11/8. Bloomberg reported the William Hill boss as saying Out will be favourite by the weekend. You do the maths.
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It is worth voting leave just to get rid of Gay Dave and Boy George. If it is "out" lots of them on all sides will be finished politically.
It gives us a great chance for a clean up, we only need half the Politicians we have so this would be a good start. The only people I have met who want to remain are on the payroll of the Government. Like some on here? |
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every **** who pushes stay is on in line to benefit from it.
3 weeks ago i was devastated our own politicians were selling the people and country down the river,hopefully now people can see we can free ourselves from these european shackles |
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I'm not one for Peter Hitchens or The Sunday mail he writes for but he sums it up perfectly:
Everything I hear now suggests that the votes for Leave are piling up, while the Remain cause is faltering and floundering. The betrayed supporters of both major parties now feel free to take revenge on their smug and arrogant leaders. It has been a mystery to me that these voters stayed loyal to organisations that repeatedly spat on them from a great height. Labour doesn’t love the poor. It loves the London elite. The Tories don’t love the country. They love only money. The referendum, in which the parties are split and uncertain, has freed us all from silly tribal loyalties and allowed us to vote instead according to reason. We can all vote against the heedless, arrogant snobs who inflicted mass immigration on the poor (while making sure they lived far from its consequences themselves). And nobody can call us ‘racists’ for doing so. |
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Britain Elects @britainelects · 18m18 minutes ago
Latest ComRes #EUref (phone) poll out tonight in the Sun - previous survey had an eleven point lead for Remain. |
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You'd all be mad not to leave. A lot of people here in Ireland sorry we agreed in the first place. Angela decides what we do now, not our own government.
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Austria MJK.....
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If we end up with Brexit there'll be no stopping the right wing of the tory party from creating a bonfire of workers' rights and those on benefits will be squeezed like never before in their lifetime. Whether or not this is good/bad for the country depends on your political point of view but it will be painful for a lot of people.All this talk about giving the NHS additional funding must be taken with a pinch of salt;almost certainly the reverse will happen.
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I wouldn't take too much notice of the polls, look how badly wrong they got it in the last General Election.
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mjk the big difference between Ireland and ourselves is that you voted for the euro...we sensibly declined that opportunity.
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Very true posy .
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