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By:
deadbrain59
When: 07 Oct 16 07:46
51 on the bounceMischiefMischief
By:
deadbrain59
When: 07 Oct 16 09:13
will play yalta 1.35.
By:
madhatters
When: 07 Oct 16 11:52
Ifs & buts today as usual
Selection pack of jocks too
Fireglow consistent for me
Drop to H'cap
York one of worst courses tho
GL with the shaky 105's
By:
deadbrain59
When: 07 Oct 16 13:50
comedy 11.4 broke a bad run.
By:
madhatters
When: 07 Oct 16 13:51
No joke that one Grin
By:
dibdob
When: 07 Oct 16 21:39
Last MJ bet of the year for me and it's all about the Fox tomorrow in the Cesarewitch. Been on my radar for this race since its 2nd here last year. Dropped down the ratings although another pound or 2 would have been nice. From this year has been okay, but more importantly it has shown there is still an appetite for racing despite being 8 now. Course and distance form are all there, draw is fine, going a non issue. Lets just hope Fanning doesn't co
By:
dibdob
When: 07 Oct 16 21:48
ck it up again.

22's on here and 16/1 with the books is plenty generous as I can't see it out of the places. Will back it early doors e/w tomorrow and then watch to see if the money comes again like last year. If it does then I will get on huge with a spread bet. Haven't had a bet for 6 weeks waiting for this one so should it all play out I will be going big!
By:
dod
When: 08 Oct 16 09:39
I like Rich and Famous in the 3.10 york plenty of previous winners to beat but really liked how it won last time and not a bad price.
By:
madhatters
When: 08 Oct 16 11:30
Monty to get back to form
York an ew shout
Bear going up in dist
GL
By:
deadbrain59
When: 08 Oct 16 13:00
mystic.GrinGrin
By:
dibdob
When: 08 Oct 16 16:10
Drift on Oriental fox, so I've pulled out. Saver on Grumeti
By:
stridingedge
When: 09 Oct 16 17:09
    date        course        class        selection        BFSP        pos        rnrs        dist        rce rtrn        tot rtrn        staked        ROI   
                                                                                               
    24/04/2016        Musselburgh        5        Huntlaw        6.49        1        6        nk        £52.16        £52.16        £10.00        521.55%   
    27/04/2016        Pontefract        3        Deodoro        4.86        4        5        12.5l        -£10.00        £42.16        £20.00        210.78%   
    27/04/2016        Brighton        5        Aleko        4.78        2        6        sh hd        -£10.00        £32.16        £30.00        107.18%   
    02/05/2016        Beverley        5        Ravenhoe        6.29        9        12        11.5l        -£10.00        £22.16        £40.00        55.39%   
    02/05/2016        Beverley        4        Freight Train        8.97        4        10        3.75l        -£10.00        £12.16        £50.00        24.31%   
    07/05/2016        Haydock        3        Bathos        12.66        6        12        5.25l        -£10.00        £2.16        £60.00        3.59%   
    10/05/2016        Beverley        5        Autumn Blossom        7.20        9        10        13.5l        -£10.00        -£7.85        £70.00        -11.21%   
    10/05/2016        Beverley        6        Scarpeta        2.47        1        11        0.75l        £13.97        £6.12        £80.00        7.65%   
    10/05/2016        Chepstow        6        Regal Monarch        4.43        1        11        1.25l        £32.59        £38.71        £90.00        43.01%   
    13/05/2016        York        4        Second Serve        7.81        2        12        0.75l        -£10.00        £28.71        £100.00        28.71%   
    18/05/2016        Ayr        4        Book Of Poetry        5.75        6        6        22l        -£10.00        £18.71        £110.00        17.00%   
    18/05/2016        Bath        4        Mistime        9.89        3        9        4.5l        -£10.00        £8.71        £120.00        7.25%   
    19/05/2016        Goodwood        4        Bathos        9.60        1        10        0.5l        £81.70        £90.41        £130.00        69.54%   
    19/05/2016        Goodwood        1        Dessertoflife        12.65        8        9        24l        -£10.00        £80.41        £140.00        57.43%   
    19/05/2016        Sandown        3        New Caledonia        5.48        4        6        2.25l        -£10.00        £70.41        £150.00        46.94%   
    27/05/2016        Haydock        4        Huntlaw        12.47        11        13        7.75l        -£10.00        £60.41        £160.00        37.75%   
    28/05/2016        Chester        3        Zand        13.52        11        12        12.5l        -£10.00        £50.41        £170.00        29.65%   
    28/05/2016        Chester        4        Four Mile Beach        22.20        8        8        21l        -£10.00        £40.41        £180.00        22.45%   
    03/06/2016        Epsom        2        Master Of Finance        12.78        10        10        17l        -£10.00        £30.41        £190.00        16.00%   
    03/06/2016        Catterick        4        Hawatif        3.07        3        6        0.5l        -£10.00        £20.41        £200.00        10.20%   
    03/06/2016        Goodwood        5        Montataire        3.90        4        9        3.25l        -£10.00        £10.41        £210.00        4.95%   
    04/06/2016        Musselburgh        3        Huntlaw        8.61        8        11        9l        -£10.00        £0.41        £220.00        0.18%   
    04/06/2016        Epsom        2        Yorkidding        8.59        16        17        75l        -£10.00        -£9.60        £230.00        -4.17%   
    06/06/2016        Pontefract        4        Renfrew Street        4.20        1        6        2.5l        £30.40        £20.81        £240.00        8.67%   
    09/06/2016        Newbury        5        Shadow Game        9.46        4        13        3.75l        -£10.00        £10.81        £250.00        4.32%   
    09/06/2016        Yarmouth        4        Miniaturist        4.31        6        9        12l        -£10.00        £0.81        £260.00        0.31%   
    09/06/2016        Haydock        4        Plagiarism        11.00        3        8        0.75l        -£10.00        -£9.20        £270.00        -3.41%   
    11/06/2015        Sandown        2        Kings Pavilion        7.82        3        9        2.5l        -£10.00        -£19.20        £280.00        -6.86%   
    23/06/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Plagiarism        11.00        7        8        7.25l        -£10.00        -£29.20        £290.00        -10.07%   
    24/06/2016        Yarmouth        4        Space Mountain        3.65        4        4        24l        -£10.00        -£39.20        £300.00        -13.07%   
    27/06/2016        Pontefract        5        Triassic        4.90        9        12        36l        -£10.00        -£49.20        £310.00        -15.87%   
    02/07/2016        Haydock        3        Champagne City        9.28        3        5        2.5l        -£10.00        -£59.20        £320.00        -18.50%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Bridal March        3.72        3        9        3.25l        -£10.00        -£69.20        £330.00        -20.97%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Jintshi        4.50        2        9        0.25l        -£10.00        -£79.20        £340.00        -23.29%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Ravenhoe        15.00        1        9        1l        £133.00        £53.81        £350.00        15.37%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        5        Freight Train        7.91        2        7        nk        -£10.00        £43.81        £360.00        12.17%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        4        Eqleem        6.65        6        8        10l        -£10.00        £33.81        £370.00        9.14%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        4        Rosamaria        6.80        5        7        7l        -£10.00        £23.81        £380.00        6.26%   
    07/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        1        Yalta        8.22        7        9        7l        -£10.00        £13.81        £390.00        3.54%   
    07/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Riflescope        25.16        15        20        7.5l        -£10.00        £3.81        £400.00        0.95%   
    07/07/2016        Epsom        5        Book Of Poetry        7.35        5        6        11l        -£10.00        -£6.19        £410.00        -1.51%   
    08/07/2016        Ascot        3        Montataire        3.13        1        8        0.5l        £20.24        £14.04        £420.00        3.34%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        1        Kilmah        7.03        4        10        0.75l        -£10.00        £4.04        £430.00        0.94%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Welford*        35.06        6        13        4.75l        -£5.00        -£0.96        £435.00        -0.22%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Ode To Evening*        53.36        1        13        0.5l        £248.71        £247.75        £440.00        56.31%   
    08/07/2016        Ascot        3        Haley Bop        8.59        6        8        6l        -£10.00        £237.75        £450.00        52.83%   
    08/07/2016        Musselburgh        5        Dasheen        5.16        9        10        13l        -£10.00        £227.75        £460.00        49.51%   
    09/07/2016        York        3        Vive Ma Fille        12.80        3        10        3.75l        -£10.00        £217.75        £470.00        46.33%   
    09/07/2016        York        2        Kings Pavilion        11.20        10        15        8l        -£10.00        £207.75        £480.00        43.28%   
    14/07/2016        Leicester        4        Aleko        13.78        5        5        8.25l        -£10.00        £197.75        £490.00        40.36%   
    14/07/2016        Hamilton        4        Templier        10.00        5        6        8l        -£10.00        £187.75        £500.00        37.55%   
    14/07/2016        Epsom        4        Rosy Morning        2.89        8        8        11.5l        -£10.00        £177.75        £510.00        34.85%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        4        Climax        4.50        4        10        2l        -£10.00        £167.75        £520.00        32.26%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        2        Welford        14.32        9        14        9l        -£10.00        £157.75        £530.00        29.76%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        4        Huntlaw        6.00        1        8        1.75l        £47.50        £205.25        £540.00        38.01%   
    21/07/2016        Sandown        5        Furiant        6.60        6        9        4l        -£10.00        £195.25        £550.00        35.50%   
    22/07/2016        Ascot        2        Yorkidding        8.62        1        6        0.75l        £72.39        £267.64        £560.00        47.79%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        1        Frankuus        7.35        3        9        0.5l        -£10.00        £257.64        £570.00        45.20%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        2        Daawa        4.70        3        6        0.5l        -£10.00        £247.64        £580.00        42.70%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        4        Second Serve        7.04        4        5        12.5l        -£10.00        £237.64        £590.00        40.28%   
    23/07/2016        Lingfield        6        Togetherwecan        26.20        8        9        7.5l        -£10.00        £227.64        £600.00        37.94%   
    26/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Revolutionist        12.88        15        17        22l        -£10.00        £217.64        £610.00        35.68%   
    27/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Dessertoflife        10.50        6        10        7l        -£10.00        £207.64        £620.00        33.49%   
    27/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Kiltara*        16.71        7        10        12l        -£5.00        £202.64        £625.00        32.42%   
    29/07/2016        Goodwood        1        Buratino*        16.91        8        9        4l        -£5.00        £197.64        £630.00        31.37%   
    30/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Beaverbrook*        21.76        7        12        3l        -£5.00        £192.64        £635.00        30.34%   
    30/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Soldier In Action*        13.63        12        12        44l        -£5.00        £187.64        £640.00        29.32%   
    02/08/2016        Catterick        4        Tartan Bute        4.97        2        6        0.75l        -£10.00        £177.64        £650.00        27.33%   
    06/08/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Sennockian Star        6.67        3        8        3l        -£10.00        £167.64        £660.00        25.40%   
    12/08/2016        Newmarket (J)        4        Highly Sprung        4.54        1        7        2l        £33.63        £201.27        £670.00        30.04%   
    12/08/2016        Catterick        4        Climax        4.70        4        5        3.75l        -£10.00        £191.27        £680.00        28.13%   
    14/08/2016        Pontefract        3        Cape Speed        9.05        4        5        14.75l        -£10.00        £181.27        £690.00        26.27%   
    17/08/2016        Carlisle        5        Rainbow Rebel        5.80        1        7        3.25l        £45.60        £226.87        £700.00        32.41%   
    20/08/2016        York        2        Regal Monarch        9.01        2        13        2.75l        -£10.00        £216.87        £710.00        30.55%   
    24/08/2016        Musselburgh        5        Furiant        12.09        5        7        5.5l        -£10.00        £206.87        £720.00        28.73%   
    24/08/2016        Musselburgh        6        Templier        3.55        1        7        0.5l        £24.23        £231.10        £730.00        31.66%   
    25/08/2016        Musselburgh        3        Whitman        9.51        5        8        3.25l        -£10.00        £221.10        £740.00        29.88%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        5        Dominating        6.69        4        4        5.75l        -£10.00        £211.10        £750.00        28.15%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        5        Yorkindred Spirit        6.22        5        6        9.5l        -£10.00        £201.10        £760.00        26.46%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        6        Triassic        7.06        6        7        6.75l        -£10.00        £191.10        £770.00        24.82%   
    02/09/2016        Ascot        3        Renfrew Street        3.50        2        7        1.25l        -£10.00        £181.10        £780.00        23.22%   
    02/09/2016        Musselburgh        5        Zamindo        12.18        7        8        31l        -£10.00        £171.10        £790.00        21.66%   
    14/09/2016        Beverley        4        Welford        6.80        3        5        2.75l        -£10.00        £161.10        £800.00        20.14%   
    14/09/2016        Yarmouth        4        Highly Sprung        4.30        1        8        5l        £31.35        £192.45        £810.00        23.76%   
    17/09/2016        Ayr        2        Haley Bop        14.00        2        14        2.25l        -£10.00        £182.45        £820.00        22.25%   
    17/09/2016        Catterick        4        Isharah        3.82        6        11        6.25l        -£10.00        £172.45        £830.00        20.78%   


Soldier In Action wouldn't you just know it.

Another one I was on last time when looked like it had a problem ran a shocker at festival beaten a long way out and eased off. Considered it today but there's not really any precedent beaten like that and returning in this class from the lay off during the season (did have a decent profile for goodwood festival though). Was worried there was some other pace but certainly not for the first time this season that rarely seems to be a concern as tactics are often changed with these supposed front runners that then sit off it to pick up the pieces if they are in the right races.

After that I'm calling it for the season, has been very sporadic for a good while now and happy to leave it until it all starts up again next year.Rescued by a big price winner I don't mind admitting that but I think I've learned a fair bit from this exercise and will hopefully be able to show this next season.

Cheers to madhatters,dibdob,fatlad (where's he gone?) and everyone who has contributed on here and I wish you all well over the winter.
By:
11kv
When: 09 Oct 16 17:17
Good thread Striding followed with interest, well done and all the best until next year.
By:
stridingedge
When: 09 Oct 16 17:28
Wink
By:
madhatters
When: 09 Oct 16 19:34
Against the grain till the last Grin
3yo in 3yo+ scoots in by 6L just to fool us all
Not sure what you have learnt SE but GL with it
The patterns i was looking for were thin & far between
Maybe he has changed his tactics/MO
Man of science using technology to improve the training art
Good batch of 2yo's that may or not do the bizz next year
Nice to have gone out on a winner
Au revoiir till '17
By:
Virgin
When: 10 Oct 16 08:50
stridingedge Cool wd lots of work... I'm sure you enjoyed the challenge... gl
By:
madhatters
When: 10 Oct 16 11:53
Going for a song at Windy
Crowley booking a bonus ?
3 months off
Or is it going to keep older bruv the star company Grin
By:
dibdob
When: 10 Oct 16 11:57
It was a great thread and you did fantastically wow to show profit given how the 3 yearolds and older horses performed this season.

Just so you know it's MJs birthday today. If he shows up at one of the 3 tracks he has a runner at today...well we all know how that one could end...
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 10 Oct 16 14:25
It was a great thread and you did fantastically wow to show profit given how the 3 yearolds and older horses performed this season.

I'll ditto this. Superb thread, really enjoyed it, well done striding.
By:
madhatters
When: 10 Oct 16 16:15
Hope Against Hope indeed
Last, last & last Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 16:17
happy birthday MJ Laugh
By:
carrot1960
When: 10 Oct 16 16:17
And on  a Monday , never heard of
By:
posy
When: 10 Oct 16 16:29
quite ironically named horse considering that one of the joint owners has the same name as someone connected to the barlow clowes affair
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 16:33
i was waiting for a trip for this one when it was going over a mile and kept running on DevilGrin
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 16:34
ie Beardwood
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 10 Oct 16 16:37
Jeezers, he's got to be taking the mick out of you Striding Cry
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 16:39
06 Sep 16 12:31 

Beardwood unlike Bathos I think this one does need an increase in trip.It has been with Fahey and Ellison previously and is win less since it's 3yo mdn on 2nd start over 6f.Has not had many runs for a 4 year old and on yard debut (MJ 25% with these, 20-79) at thirsk was pushed along early and a couple of times in the race off of an average pace over a mile before plugging on late.Obviously not a straightforward one, if you look through it's races over shorter it is often running on when the race is over.Perhaps it needs a bit further (more than plausible on dams side), it has some loftier entries over 9 and 10f but is nowhere near the required rating for them at present.I think it has to be interesting but is also risky and it's one I'd rather chance around 10f than today's trip having watched back it's last run.

cheeky monkey MJ wait till i've packed it in for the season
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 16:45
Let's hop he gets the treble on SS hatters, gl
By:
madhatters
When: 10 Oct 16 19:26
Didn't get a tune outta song

Might as well keep it going till end of Flat SE
Based on the Bearded one Grin
Hatful tomoz
By:
Diff-rent
When: 10 Oct 16 19:35
I laid his Yarmouth winner IR @ 24s and I ain't impressed. Bleeding track a jinx's as I laid a David Elsworth runner last month 30s IR at the same course.

Wished the course stayed SHUT !!!!!!
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 19:39
Missed too many hatters, Huntlaw when i was away at double figs, yesterday's returnee  ditto odds wise and now that one today, couldn't get back into it mentally after these.
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Oct 16 19:40
Diff-rent Cry
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 11 Oct 16 15:00
Had some @ 3's on Kiribati and 7-2 & 10-3 Kelvin Hall. Can't complain both ran well, but sitting ducks for 2 in behind. So frustrating Cry
By:
stridingedge
When: 11 Oct 16 15:46
ul McCoy

the maiden rag earlier x rated at 40.0+ on here even after the 50% deduction ran a blinder.

one thing i wouldn't try is laying them at odds Shocked
By:
madhatters
When: 17 Oct 16 18:45
Hope you kept the faith Dib
By:
madhatters
When: 18 Oct 16 11:11
Interesting one today
16's
By:
stridingedge
When: 18 Oct 16 12:46
Dasheen hatters?

Getting the sort of trip I thought it needed.

Haven't looked at the opposition though fav obviously taking out much of the market.

3yo+ handicappers up in trip 2-4f , 101-511-(19.8%)+£180.41(A/E 1.32)

Just the time of the year and it's not won a race, will investigate a bit further.
By:
stridingedge
When: 18 Oct 16 14:22
Time of the year been ok for these though not as strong as one might expect in june-aug peak. The Carlisle near miss race was very ordinary (as is much of the form in the book), I thought that day the fact they went quite a pace early doors with them all dropping out and Dasheen plugging on in the runners up berth was suggesting like much of it's earlier season form that the sires pace was certainly nowhere to be seen with this one and that a trip around 10f was much more likely to suit.This 11 1/2f here will certainly test that theory and if we don't see better it's hard to enthuse about it going forward that's for sure, we know the ground is fine.

Haggas to be respected with this profile of once raced mdn winners in these 3yo+ races, it's hard to know how good that race will turn out to be but there has been no suggestion his runners are under priced in this scenario (as I thought may be the case).

I couldn't put anyone off it at the price but i am not confident it's got much raw ability either like some of the yard's runner's i see from their maiden runs, yarmouth is not a track where this type has seen a win in my DB (The usual suspects Beverley,Musselburgh,Hamilton and others are prolific with these up in trip types).
By:
madhatters
When: 18 Oct 16 21:12
Dashed Grin
By:
dibdob
When: 03 Apr 17 13:04
Bumb. Hope everyone here has been keeping well.
Are we getting a 2017 turf thread Striding? The yard has been in surprisingly good form already this year
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