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By:
deadbrain59
When: 03 Sep 16 16:15
stick to what you do.
By:
madhatters
When: 03 Sep 16 17:08
No glory multis but a good day Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 03 Sep 16 17:11
you got the main one hatters wd again mate, certainly learning a few lessons along the way here Wink

these mini spurts of winners often been followed by barren runs this season, can't actually recall a sustained run of form (you'd expect 2 or 3 red hot spells in a normal season, not just the 2yo's!)

be interesting what next week brings.
By:
stridingedge
When: 03 Sep 16 17:13
no turf runners in uk till tuesday.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 04 Sep 16 07:49
hes recovered from a bad spell,appleby yard on a losing run.
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Sep 16 11:54
    date        course        class        selection        BFSP        pos        rnrs        dist        rce rtrn        tot rtrn        staked        ROI   
                                                                                               
    24/04/2016        Musselburgh        5        Huntlaw        6.49        1        6        nk        £52.16        £52.16        £10.00        521.55%   
    27/04/2016        Pontefract        3        Deodoro        4.86        4        5        12.5l        -£10.00        £42.16        £20.00        210.78%   
    27/04/2016        Brighton        5        Aleko        4.78        2        6        sh hd        -£10.00        £32.16        £30.00        107.18%   
    02/05/2016        Beverley        5        Ravenhoe        6.29        9        12        11.5l        -£10.00        £22.16        £40.00        55.39%   
    02/05/2016        Beverley        4        Freight Train        8.97        4        10        3.75l        -£10.00        £12.16        £50.00        24.31%   
    07/05/2016        Haydock        3        Bathos        12.66        6        12        5.25l        -£10.00        £2.16        £60.00        3.59%   
    10/05/2016        Beverley        5        Autumn Blossom        7.20        9        10        13.5l        -£10.00        -£7.85        £70.00        -11.21%   
    10/05/2016        Beverley        6        Scarpeta        2.47        1        11        0.75l        £13.97        £6.12        £80.00        7.65%   
    10/05/2016        Chepstow        6        Regal Monarch        4.43        1        11        1.25l        £32.59        £38.71        £90.00        43.01%   
    13/05/2016        York        4        Second Serve        7.81        2        12        0.75l        -£10.00        £28.71        £100.00        28.71%   
    18/05/2016        Ayr        4        Book Of Poetry        5.75        6        6        22l        -£10.00        £18.71        £110.00        17.00%   
    18/05/2016        Bath        4        Mistime        9.89        3        9        4.5l        -£10.00        £8.71        £120.00        7.25%   
    19/05/2016        Goodwood        4        Bathos        9.60        1        10        0.5l        £81.70        £90.41        £130.00        69.54%   
    19/05/2016        Goodwood        1        Dessertoflife        12.65        8        9        24l        -£10.00        £80.41        £140.00        57.43%   
    19/05/2016        Sandown        3        New Caledonia        5.48        4        6        2.25l        -£10.00        £70.41        £150.00        46.94%   
    27/05/2016        Haydock        4        Huntlaw        12.47        11        13        7.75l        -£10.00        £60.41        £160.00        37.75%   
    28/05/2016        Chester        3        Zand        13.52        11        12        12.5l        -£10.00        £50.41        £170.00        29.65%   
    28/05/2016        Chester        4        Four Mile Beach        22.20        8        8        21l        -£10.00        £40.41        £180.00        22.45%   
    03/06/2016        Epsom        2        Master Of Finance        12.78        10        10        17l        -£10.00        £30.41        £190.00        16.00%   
    03/06/2016        Catterick        4        Hawatif        3.07        3        6        0.5l        -£10.00        £20.41        £200.00        10.20%   
    03/06/2016        Goodwood        5        Montataire        3.90        4        9        3.25l        -£10.00        £10.41        £210.00        4.95%   
    04/06/2016        Musselburgh        3        Huntlaw        8.61        8        11        9l        -£10.00        £0.41        £220.00        0.18%   
    04/06/2016        Epsom        2        Yorkidding        8.59        16        17        75l        -£10.00        -£9.60        £230.00        -4.17%   
    06/06/2016        Pontefract        4        Renfrew Street        4.20        1        6        2.5l        £30.40        £20.81        £240.00        8.67%   
    09/06/2016        Newbury        5        Shadow Game        9.46        4        13        3.75l        -£10.00        £10.81        £250.00        4.32%   
    09/06/2016        Yarmouth        4        Miniaturist        4.31        6        9        12l        -£10.00        £0.81        £260.00        0.31%   
    09/06/2016        Haydock        4        Plagiarism        11.00        3        8        0.75l        -£10.00        -£9.20        £270.00        -3.41%   
    11/06/2015        Sandown        2        Kings Pavilion        7.82        3        9        2.5l        -£10.00        -£19.20        £280.00        -6.86%   
    23/06/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Plagiarism        11.00        7        8        7.25l        -£10.00        -£29.20        £290.00        -10.07%   
    24/06/2016        Yarmouth        4        Space Mountain        3.65        4        4        24l        -£10.00        -£39.20        £300.00        -13.07%   
    27/06/2016        Pontefract        5        Triassic        4.90        9        12        36l        -£10.00        -£49.20        £310.00        -15.87%   
    02/07/2016        Haydock        3        Champagne City        9.28        3        5        2.5l        -£10.00        -£59.20        £320.00        -18.50%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Bridal March        3.72        3        9        3.25l        -£10.00        -£69.20        £330.00        -20.97%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Jintshi        4.50        2        9        0.25l        -£10.00        -£79.20        £340.00        -23.29%   
    02/07/2016        Beverley        5        Ravenhoe        15.00        1        9        1l        £133.00        £53.81        £350.00        15.37%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        5        Freight Train        7.91        2        7        nk        -£10.00        £43.81        £360.00        12.17%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        4        Eqleem        6.65        6        8        10l        -£10.00        £33.81        £370.00        9.14%   
    02/07/2016        Carlisle        4        Rosamaria        6.80        5        7        7l        -£10.00        £23.81        £380.00        6.26%   
    07/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        1        Yalta        8.22        7        9        7l        -£10.00        £13.81        £390.00        3.54%   
    07/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Riflescope        25.16        15        20        7.5l        -£10.00        £3.81        £400.00        0.95%   
    07/07/2016        Epsom        5        Book Of Poetry        7.35        5        6        11l        -£10.00        -£6.19        £410.00        -1.51%   
    08/07/2016        Ascot        3        Montataire        3.13        1        8        0.5l        £20.24        £14.04        £420.00        3.34%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        1        Kilmah        7.03        4        10        0.75l        -£10.00        £4.04        £430.00        0.94%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Welford*        35.06        6        13        4.75l        -£5.00        -£0.96        £435.00        -0.22%   
    08/07/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Ode To Evening*        53.36        1        13        0.5l        £248.71        £247.75        £440.00        56.31%   
    08/07/2016        Ascot        3        Haley Bop        8.59        6        8        6l        -£10.00        £237.75        £450.00        52.83%   
    08/07/2016        Musselburgh        5        Dasheen        5.16        9        10        13l        -£10.00        £227.75        £460.00        49.51%   
    09/07/2016        York        3        Vive Ma Fille        12.80        3        10        3.75l        -£10.00        £217.75        £470.00        46.33%   
    09/07/2016        York        2        Kings Pavilion        11.20        10        15        8l        -£10.00        £207.75        £480.00        43.28%   
    14/07/2016        Leicester        4        Aleko        13.78        5        5        8.25l        -£10.00        £197.75        £490.00        40.36%   
    14/07/2016        Hamilton        4        Templier        10.00        5        6        8l        -£10.00        £187.75        £500.00        37.55%   
    14/07/2016        Epsom        4        Rosy Morning        2.89        8        8        11.5l        -£10.00        £177.75        £510.00        34.85%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        4        Climax        4.50        4        10        2l        -£10.00        £167.75        £520.00        32.26%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        2        Welford        14.32        9        14        9l        -£10.00        £157.75        £530.00        29.76%   
    16/07/2016        Ripon        4        Huntlaw        6.00        1        8        1.75l        £47.50        £205.25        £540.00        38.01%   
    21/07/2016        Sandown        5        Furiant        6.60        6        9        4l        -£10.00        £195.25        £550.00        35.50%   
    22/07/2016        Ascot        2        Yorkidding        8.62        1        6        0.75l        £72.39        £267.64        £560.00        47.79%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        1        Frankuus        7.35        3        9        0.5l        -£10.00        £257.64        £570.00        45.20%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        2        Daawa        4.70        3        6        0.5l        -£10.00        £247.64        £580.00        42.70%   
    23/07/2016        Ascot        4        Second Serve        7.04        4        5        12.5l        -£10.00        £237.64        £590.00        40.28%   
    23/07/2016        Lingfield        6        Togetherwecan        26.20        8        9        7.5l        -£10.00        £227.64        £600.00        37.94%   
    26/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Revolutionist        12.88        15        17        22l        -£10.00        £217.64        £610.00        35.68%   
    27/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Dessertoflife        10.50        6        10        7l        -£10.00        £207.64        £620.00        33.49%   
    27/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Kiltara*        16.71        7        10        12l        -£5.00        £202.64        £625.00        32.42%   
    29/07/2016        Goodwood        1        Buratino*        16.91        8        9        4l        -£5.00        £197.64        £630.00        31.37%   
    30/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Beaverbrook*        21.76        7        12        3l        -£5.00        £192.64        £635.00        30.34%   
    30/07/2016        Goodwood        2        Soldier In Action*        13.63        12        12        44l        -£5.00        £187.64        £640.00        29.32%   
    02/08/2016        Catterick        4        Tartan Bute        4.97        2        6        0.75l        -£10.00        £177.64        £650.00        27.33%   
    06/08/2016        Newmarket (J)        2        Sennockian Star        6.67        3        8        3l        -£10.00        £167.64        £660.00        25.40%   
    12/08/2016        Newmarket (J)        4        Highly Sprung        4.54        1        7        2l        £33.63        £201.27        £670.00        30.04%   
    12/08/2016        Catterick        4        Climax        4.70        4        5        3.75l        -£10.00        £191.27        £680.00        28.13%   
    14/08/2016        Pontefract        3        Cape Speed        9.05        4        5        14.75l        -£10.00        £181.27        £690.00        26.27%   
    17/08/2016        Carlisle        5        Rainbow Rebel        5.80        1        7        3.25l        £45.60        £226.87        £700.00        32.41%   
    20/08/2016        York        2        Regal Monarch        9.01        2        13        2.75l        -£10.00        £216.87        £710.00        30.55%   
    24/08/2016        Musselburgh        5        Furiant        12.09        5        7        5.5l        -£10.00        £206.87        £720.00        28.73%   
    24/08/2016        Musselburgh        6        Templier        3.55        1        7        0.5l        £24.23        £231.10        £730.00        31.66%   
    25/08/2016        Musselburgh        3        Whitman        9.51        5        8        3.25l        -£10.00        £221.10        £740.00        29.88%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        5        Dominating        6.69        4        4        5.75l        -£10.00        £211.10        £750.00        28.15%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        5        Yorkindred Spirit        6.22        5        6        9.5l        -£10.00        £201.10        £760.00        26.46%   
    28/08/2016        Beverley        6        Triassic        7.06        6        7        6.75l        -£10.00        £191.10        £770.00        24.82%   
    02/09/2016        Ascot        3        Renfrew Street        3.50        2        7        1.25l        -£10.00        £181.10        £780.00        23.22%   
    02/09/2016        Musselburgh        5        Zamindo        12.18        7        8        31l        -£10.00        £171.10        £790.00        21.66%   
By:
madhatters
When: 06 Sep 16 11:03
In the bath with the shake today Shocked
Stepping up again
More its level
GL
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 12:31
Bathos not impossible downgraded but i just don't see this one as needing this trip.The sheikh's 3yo's are dangerous with a new trip but the distribution of the winners are predominantly for much more unexposed types generally, horses that may have only won one or 2 races to date over shorter (44 out of 47 of these 3yo handicappers trying trip for the first time had not won more than 2 races in their careers to date).

Of course this doesn't mean Bathos can't win it is down to it's last winning grade and mark again and none of this field have managed to win their last start.I just don't feel this is a 12f horse or is potentially progressive and a few of these could tick both boxes.

Beardwood unlike Bathos I think this one does need an increase in trip.It has been with Fahey and Ellison previously and is win less since it's 3yo mdn on 2nd start over 6f.Has not had many runs for a 4 year old and on yard debut (MJ 25% with these, 20-79) at thirsk was pushed along early and a couple of times in the race off of an average pace over a mile before plugging on late.Obviously not a straightforward one, if you look through it's races over shorter it is often running on when the race is over.Perhaps it needs a bit further (more than plausible on dams side), it has some loftier entries over 9 and 10f but is nowhere near the required rating for them at present.I think it has to be interesting but is also risky and it's one I'd rather chance around 10f than today's trip having watched back it's last run.

Ravenhoe like the other 2 runners is also on the downgrade today.A couple of lbs higher than winning a weak contest at beverley but did run well in a much stronger heat than this on the aw at Wolves over the 8 1/2f trip a couple of starts back.The last 2 runs have been disappointing but it has to be said the tactics have been at odds with it's optimum front running role which has seen it's success and there wasn't a great amount of obvious early pace on show here so you'd imagine an attempt from the front again dropped in grade.

Yesterday I thought Ravenhoe was the most likely today, when i looked earlier it was much bigger than it is now so i'm happy to let it go Sad Will be interesting if the market continues to rate it nearer the race.
By:
madhatters
When: 06 Sep 16 15:36
Got a taste of own medicine there - Johnstoned
Let it get away & chicken was cooked
Down a few pounds for a Sat job now Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 15:44
all these winning sheikh 2yo's are going to be fun next year hatters, plenty should get a trip.

the class 2-4 haul has increased each year from 2012 and he's 3 short of last season at the moment.

going to be fun sorting them out when upped in trip as 3yo's.
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 15:45
I've certainly got more of an idea about this group after this season.
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 16:02
They are going on about the ground with Beardwood there, it's been running on fine on plenty of occasions on ground up to heavy, for me it needs a trip. You don't see many of MJ's shoved along so far out and that's been the case on both starts for the yard now.

If the right price would be interested in trying it over a longer distance.It's certainly not one for maximum faith but that change at a decent price would tempt me in a similar race.
By:
madhatters
When: 06 Sep 16 16:16
Should be interesting the next batch
Just a shame this lot were/are pants Laugh
But... who knows what happens over winter
Could turn out the same !!
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 17:12
Sheikh's 2yo's class 2-4

            Bets        Wins        Win%        P/L(SP)        Places        Place%        Races        Race%        P/L(BF)        ROI(BF)        Lay(BF)        ROI(L)        Plc(BF)        Plc%(BF)        P/L(Plc)        Lay(Plc)        MxOdd        A/E   
    ALL        308        62        20.13        -51.97        117        37.99        292        21.23        -33.31        -10.82        9.82        0.29        123        39.94        -33.05        15.8        51        0.98   
    2016        67        19        28.36        2.44        31        46.27        62        30.65        9.07        13.53        -14.47        -2.54        32        47.76        -5.18        1.86        34        1.12   
    2015        98        22        22.45        -6.15        41        41.84        91        24.18        0.37        0.38        -8.19        -1.01        41        41.84        -7.51        2.05        34        1.07   
    2014        51        11        21.57        -1.97        19        37.25        49        22.45        0.84        1.65        -4.99        -1.17        20        39.22        -5.97        3.1        26        1   
    2013        62        7        11.29        -40.62        18        29.03        61        11.48        -41.23        -66.49        37.75        3.68        20        32.26        -11.62        7.92        41        0.67   
    2012        30        3        10        -5.67        8        26.67        29        10.34        -2.37        -7.89        -0.28        -0.05        10        33.33        -2.78        0.87        51        0.71   


Sheikh 3yo's class 2-4 hcps

            Bets        Wins        Win%        P/L(SP)        Places        Place%        Races        Race%        P/L(BF)        ROI(BF)        Lay(BF)        ROI(L)        Plc(BF)        Plc%(BF)        P/L(Plc)        Lay(Plc)        MxOdd        A/E   
    ALL        660        97        14.7        -48.14        185        28.03        598        16.22        32.57        4.94        -92.07        -0.94        202        30.65        -83.94        41.46        67        1   
    2016        98        6        6.12        -28.17        19        19.39        83        7.23        -0.79        -0.81        -8.61        -0.46        22        22.45        -13.42        6.33        51        0.54   
    2015        86        22        25.58        72.18        33        38.37        82        26.83        102.81        119.55        -114.79        -11.44        35        41.18        12.05        -17.82        34        1.49   
    2014        169        24        14.2        -16.59        46        27.22        157        15.29        -5.94        -3.51        -8.63        -0.31        48        28.4        -18.82        7.39        67        1.03   
    2013        190        24        12.63        -86.69        42        22.11        170        14.12        -81.71        -43        68.97        2.46        50        26.32        -77.35        67.05        41        0.8   
    2012        117        21        17.95        11.13        45        38.46        106        19.81        18.2        15.56        -29.01        -2.21        47        40.17        13.59        -21.49        41        1.17   
By:
madhatters
When: 06 Sep 16 18:53
Not a group to be blind backing it seems
You could look at 3yo '15 as a mighty blip Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 18:55
Love Oasis could be a play tomorrow in the 6f nursery at Carlisle, this race could be a bit weaker than the Musselburgh contest and this is certainly the stiffest test so far in terms of stamina, If they haven't managed to win a race in this classification of race you want a change and this one gets that tomorrow as well as having plenty of experience which may just be an advantage now.

Certainly would consider this if the 10/1 around at the moment is still about tomorrow.
By:
stridingedge
When: 06 Sep 16 18:57
and hopefully this year as blip too hatters!
By:
madhatters
When: 08 Sep 16 13:18
Kilmah bit on the short side but deserves to be
Rusumaat not one for 2yo but big dosh on offer
Twice the price of Stormy
Up in dist - worth a pop
GL
By:
stridingedge
When: 08 Sep 16 14:15
Tough meeting,  yard not had a winner in it for 4 years and no 2yo for 9 years remarkably.

Did look at them all without this in mind and nothing grabbed me, very competitive stuff.
By:
equine flew
When: 08 Sep 16 15:11
Kilmah dire, even by MJ standards.
By:
onthejim
When: 09 Sep 16 06:42
Any figures for his last 20 or so runners S/E?, seem to have run shockers at Donny so far.
By:
madhatters
When: 09 Sep 16 11:29
Thoughts for today
Busy round the country

Tough stats there SE

Lumiere if on a good day but fave good
Yalta ditto - Marvellous to get it

Shot in dark Sixth Sense ?
Down in dist & class & been off long time eating its weetabix
GL
By:
deadbrain59
When: 09 Sep 16 12:10
could be a total disaster.Mischief
By:
madhatters
When: 09 Sep 16 13:08
Good luck laying them all then Grin
By:
dibdob
When: 09 Sep 16 14:01
Strange tactics on lumi
By:
madhatters
When: 09 Sep 16 14:52
Suppose falling cud have been a disaster

Got the first two half right with different winners
Hows my sixth sense ? Grin
By:
deadbrain59
When: 09 Sep 16 15:15
7 down 4 to go.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 09 Sep 16 15:57
dont like his chester runners either.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 10 Sep 16 00:09
15 favs all lost 14 days
By:
deadbrain59
When: 10 Sep 16 14:20
12.6 bsp.
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Sep 16 14:28
That was very Poor Last Time out
By:
Stow_judge
When: 10 Sep 16 14:51
Yorkidding has her 11th race this season today. That seems a little too much to me.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 10 Sep 16 14:54
Other than the fact she was a NR that is Blush
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 Sep 16 15:13
Hayley Bop was actually a trend horse but i didn't really fancy it

2 positives revolving around the hcp class drop 2 into a 3

no last time out winners and ran at york and not placed lto (don't know what it is about that place)

another decent priced winner on a saturday missed after a lot of misses in the week.
By:
madhatters
When: 10 Sep 16 17:08
Anyone for tennis ?
Up in dist & cheekies
By:
stridingedge
When: 11 Sep 16 11:57
Similar september(figures hold up all summer but sweet spot this month) class dropper for 3yo  Beaverbrook today 3yo+hcp 2 into a 3. 9-28 +£33.38

Those ahead in market all have proven soft ground form (though soft at Ffos las is often in it's own category!)

Thought Beaverbrook could nick a race back end of the season after that last run. Had a look at MJ's record on soft here 1-7 and 3 seconds, most sen there in conditions have run a race.This surface may actually help as doesn't seem to do too much too quickly in races, gut feeling is he has the required stamina IF getting through this ground.

7/1+ a tempter for anyone today Confused
By:
stridingedge
When: 11 Sep 16 11:58
*ie similar to yesterday's qualifier Haley Bop Cry
By:
stridingedge
When: 11 Sep 16 15:17
Going to pass if I'd played Haley Bop yesterday I would have had a go around this price today, certainly the 7/1 earlier.Not totally convinced about Beaverbrook and the condiitons are complete guesswork against proven performers on it.

Certainly would not dismiss with the class drop angle though

gl anyone taking the plunge
By:
stridingedge
When: 11 Sep 16 15:18
No bets this week so no change to report in table.A couple of saturday winners after a quiet week (been the recent tone).
By:
madhatters
When: 11 Sep 16 15:27
Rude not to have ago SE with those class drop stats
Buono too tho

Should have LET yesters go as was OUT of frame
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