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04 Jun 15
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This all about who you would book as a jockey.
Me, Dettori.
Me, Dettori.
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Frankie all day
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQZTlQcb00w
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Neither..but noting the point of your question, Frankie for sure over Buick
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In his pomp Dettori was up there with the best of them.
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this is about tomorrow SB
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What's the main criterion for a good jockey?
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I would take Dettori over Buick IS any day, even now.
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Dettori for me.
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Unless i was backing it e/w.
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The title gave the question, now answer ydc ??
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It's far more about the horses and when Dettori first came back from his ban he couldn't buy a winner and Buick could do little wrong on the Gosden runners. Had Dettori not then been offered his current job, he could well have been struggling for winners when those he had a past associations with had moved on to new jockeys.
Both are good enough if the horse is and bar an error of judgement or bad luck in running then neither of their mounts should get beaten because the jockey wasn't up to it, and if I owned a horse I'd have no problems putting either up but I suppose you could say Frankie has that bit more big race experience, yet Buick isn't lacking enough of it for it to be an issue. Do either of them have that great a record at Epsom? |
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13–70 19% +22.25
Jamie Spencer 10–75 13% -7.50 Jim Crowley 8–48 17% -0.38 William Buick 7–58 12% -29.00 Adam Kirby 7–35 20% +21.00 Luke Morris 6–21 29% +55.75 Jimmy Fortune 5–56 9% -30.13 George Baker 5–42 12% -11.08 Pat Dobbs 5–38 13% -19.95 Richard Kingscote 4–24 17% +18.00 Joseph O´Brien 4–11 36% -3.98 Paul Hanagan 3–43 7% -28.00 Frankie Dettori 3–24 13% -17.08 Andrea Atzeni 2–29 7% -17.75 Harry Bentley |
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Definitely dettori,and James Doyle over Buick every time !
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Frankie by a long way; a great natural talent and horseman. Buick's a hack in comparison.
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frankie for me
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Buick for me, Frankie not the force he was -
This can be tested - Golden Horn beating Jack Hobbs - I think Jack Hobbs will be in front of Golden Horn tomorrow. |
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Dettori 3 years ago i would had said Buick, Buick 3 years ago looked destined for the top but has not improved as much as he should had with experience, Dettori this season is like a new man.
Cant see a single reason why JH will finish in front of GH IDB |
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It looks as if Buick is now given the pick of two Gosden stable fancies, with Dettori tossed a bone.
If this is true then comparison of riding ability is not on a level playing field. |
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At his best Dettori, but these days he seems to have little spells of confidence which may only last a day a two. They are pretty similar in that they are both pretty much bridle merchants and not really punter friendly. Dettori increasingly has a degree of vulnerability whereas Buick seems to maintain that somewhat cocky air whatever his failings.
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They all make missed aches imo.
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it is a difficult question to answer as both jockeys work out of different jockey groups.you know what I mean.=the backup to stop other horses from winning,Frankie for me because he is in the most experienced group,and he is better at getting out of a pocket when surrounded by the other group.
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Have most jockeys in front of Dettori. He is as weak as water in a finish, and getting beat on GM Hopkins was unforgiveable,
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The answer you are looking for is jack Hobbs wins.
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Frankie by a mile, remember the mag 7 not many do that top rider for year the other guy is ok but he would be very happy if he had Frankie bank balance in the next 15 years ..
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What's the main criterion for a good jockey?
ima_mazed66 recognises that it is the horse that is by far the most important factor than the monkey on it's back, and I totally agree. Yet most others have made their choice without seeming to now why. Perhaps they simply like one more than the other, which has nothing to do with the jockey's ability. |
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Well done Frankie
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dettori is miles better than buick
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Dettori by a country mile....Buick will always win races, but he isn't a great jockey. It wouldn't surprise me if I read that Buick suffered from ADHD as his concentration, attention span even during the couple of minutes of a race seems highly suspect to me. Its as if he completely switches off mentally while he is riding sometimes, great horseman, not a great jockey.
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Frankie by a mile if the horse is good enough Dettori wont let you down
years ago 1966,, the great Lester said to an owner that's me , if your horse is as good has you think it is see you in the winners enclosure....... guess what it won hard held 5/2 second fav |
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In the Dante, Buick was on Golden Horn and came from behind to pass Jack Hobbs when ridden by Dettori and today the jockeys have switched mounts and Dettori came from behind Buick who was on Jack Hobbs, which in itself suggests it was probably more about the horses than the jockeys, a concept that some on here still seem to struggle with.
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Exactly so.
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Still no one who can explain what makes a good jockey.
Yet they can all confidently declare which one is the best. |
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Dr , winning on horses that should not win makes a jockey better than other jockies .
he/she does this by tactical awareness , knowing what his/her horse is capable of and what the horses he is riding is capable of , and trying to ride a race which suits his horse more than his/her competitors. if it's not going right , the ability to change tactic a few other factors too |
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just my opinion btw
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That's a good opinion Pablo.
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cheers basil
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Tactical awareness then.
Fine, but how do you judge that when you don't even know if the jockey has been riding to instructions? And winning on horses that shouldn't win. Most horses that shouldn't win but do, are usually are ridden by the less popular jockeys, claimers etc. I suppose they're only given a great ride to win when they're ridden by one of the star jockeys. The rest are complete flukes I suppose. |
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No its down to least amount of mistakes made by a jockey.
To think a good horse can be ridden poorly can still win is very rare. |