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Who is better: Dettori or Buick ?
Who is better: Dettori or Buick ?
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What mistakes?
How are they ridden poorly? |
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How do you know they're not simply riding to instructions and they're only out for a good gallop against decent horses?
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Im confused, you must know jockeys make mistakes ?
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Well if jockeys do make obvious mistakes then why don't you tell us about them?
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It's all about how strong they are,no coincidence the best ever 3 flat jockeys were and are the strongest,piggott,Fallon and Moore,and McCoy over jumps
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So you want me to point out mistakes made by jockeys ?
Surely it is easier to think about who make the least mistakes. According to you the jockey makes no difference. |
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It's all about how strong they are,
How do you judge or measure how strong they are? |
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So you want me to point out mistakes made by jockeys ?
Yes I do. |
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Ryan Moore or Richard Hughes in a finish,work it out you idiot
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I haven't learned a thing about jockeys' riding so far.
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Dr Crippen Joined: 16 Apr 02
Replies: 19759 06 Jun 15 21:38 It's all about how strong they are, How do you judge or measure how strong they are? help ? |
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Jockeys certainly do make mistakes but I think the suggestion here is that if one sits out the back and leave his challenge too late and the line comes too soon, then that can be seen as a mistake but might also be a case of following orders and the main target was for a later date.
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Or ma_mazed66, it might be that the horse wasn't good enough or he wouldn't cooperate.
Everybody seems to be an expert on how jockeys ride, but no one can give a simple explanation on what they do that makes them good. |
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How do you explain to a layman what makes a good jockey?
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It seems it's all down to the horses they ride.
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Ima, you have posted nothing at all and i actually like your views on hear.
DR, surely you know a good ride against a poor ride ? |
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DR, surely you know a good ride against a poor ride ?
If it's obvious, then why is everybody struggling to explain the difference? |
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This idea of jockeys' 'strength' is a myth ,a total crock. They're all only flapping their arms and shaking the reins. It's the horses who have the strength and/or the will to respond.
When two horses are running towards the line in the last furlong or so -one may pull ahead and it seems ,visually, that the jockey may be 'driving' the horse to do so. But we can't know this -it could be that the second horse is weakening which makes it appear as if the leading horse is accelerating. The two horses could even both be weakening but one more than the other. Since there is no way to run races under identical conditions with jockeys switched around -I find it hard to see how any consistent measurable means of comparison can arise. People who talk about 'strength' are making assertions based on an assumption. I don't find that convincing and am equally justified in rejecting that assumption. The onus is on those who make claims about 'strength' to prove that it exists and how it works -it is not on me to prove a negative. |
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i would say that strength and stamina , is shown in gym workouts .
it's very easy to say who is stronger or has more strength , just put them in a gym , whoever does the most reps at a given weight has most stamina whoever lifts the heaviest is the strongest can't be that hard to work out |
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So take us through how it works in races then.
Many questions can be asked e.g. How is strength measured ? How much strength per furlong can be applied ? Does it work differently in sprints as opposed to long distance races ? How about flat versus NH ? Can all jockeys be rated on a common scale so we can say X possesses most strength and we have a league table all the way down to Y who has least ? I'm sure there are more but that will do for starters ? |
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yes to all the above
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???
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 at least you saw the funny side vubiant you can see though that strength is measurable |
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The Riders In The Stand.
There's some that ride the Robbo style,and bump at every stride; While others sit a long way back to get a longer ride. There's some that ride as sailors do,with legs and arms and teeth; And some that ride the horse's neck and some ride underneath. But all the finest horsemen out-the men to Beat the Band- You'll find amongst the crowd that ride their races in the Stand. They'll say Chevally lost his nerve,and Regan lost his head; They'll tell how one was 'livened up' and something else was 'dead'- In fact the race was never run on sea ,or sky,or land But what you'd get it better done by riders in the stand. The rule holds good in everything in life's uncertain flight; You'll find the winner can't go wrong,the loser can't go right. You ride a slashing race and lose-by one-and all you're banned! Ride like a bag of flour and win-they'll cheer you in the Stand. A.B. Patterson. |
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Dr Crippen 06 Jun 15 21:45
Or ma_mazed66, it might be that the horse wasn't good enough or he wouldn't cooperate..... You won't get any arguments from me on that as I've often said it's more about the horses than the jockeys. Ibrahima Sonko 06 Jun 15 21:50 Ima, you have posted nothing at all and i actually like your views on hear.... I'd personally say there are a number of things such as alertness so as not to either miss the break or fail to see something happening during a race that could hinder their chances. The ability to get a horse to settle well and be balanced and they can all do that to a degree but some better than others, although even the best will have problems with the odd horse from time to time. Tactical awareness has already been touched on but to elaborate, being in a good position to be either proactive and set the tone of a race or reactive and not get caught out by others. Strength is obviously important but not the be all and end all and when people talk about strength anyway, they usually mean the winner of a head to head battle to the line, yet a horse can win by a minimal distance but have actually won the race earlier when kicking from the front earlier. So for me apart from the technical side of riding such as being able to get a horse to quicken, steering to go for a gap, correcting a horse going off line and/or pulling the whip through efficiently, what I particularly consider important is their decision making and judgement as much as anything else. |
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Who is better: Dettori or Buick
1st and 2nd in the Derby yesterday, swap the jocks... same result.. "if you have the horse....." |
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I rest my case.
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