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Your favourite Derby winner?
Your favourite Derby winner?
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Kris Kin for me as i had £ 50 ew at 12/1 on the morning of the race - big bet for me in my teenage years
performance wise ....i like Sea Bird in 1965 , a horse which showed himself to be freak he looked in the derby when following up in devastating fashion in the arc |
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before my time but was Sir Ivor a good derby winner.
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Roberto
the master of Epsom at his best. No other jockey of that era would have won on him. |
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Looking at the decs for Saturday, none of the names make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, like most of those mentioned above do, who knows though, maybe in 20 years time one of them might...!
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I wouldn't be holding your breath for 20 years, though - Cork.
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I remember reading something that Tony Morris wrote, which in essence said that it wasn't really important what a horse had achieved prior to the race, but that Epsom was the start of his career and that he would be judged on everything he achieved subsequently. I've probably paraphrased that quite badly but maybe you know what I mean, that great horses announce themselves at Epsom. Is there one this year? Not sure there is, but on the assumption that horses with 'bad' pedigrees don't win the Derby, Giovanni Canaletto fits this profile very well although I've missed the fancy prices and will let him win unbacked at 8s.
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In his day Lester was so much part of the Derby story so it has to be one of his.
Nijinsky for me,the best horse I've ever seen. |
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good morning ribero
I am sure you was at York august 22nd 2012. |
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Financially - Shaamit. Got word in the morning that William Haggas was quietly confident it would win. My old man got the word from his boss who is was an owner of a few horses at the time. Most of the family and friends were on it. Nothing major in terms of the amount staked but it was a good day to see it win at 14/1 in the morning. A shame the horse didn't really go on from that win for the rest of its 3yo career.
Emotionally - Lammtarra. One word... WOOOOOSH !! |
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ribero..........i was in switzerland on a school trip the year nijinsky won...........on the thursday i tried to buy a english newspaper to get the result.......i failed and had to wait till i got home to find out who won........i was 10
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Life Lucky.
I backed High Rise too but in somewhat different circumstances than you. I was staying in a B&B in Penzance during a long walk on the SW Coast trail. At my table at breakfast was a retired bookie and his wife.(It was his birthday as it turned out). I listed all the reasons why to play High Rise.He listened attentively then looked at me for what seemed a long time as if he could read my mind and said in his broad cockney accent words to the effect that my reasoning was sound but that there was one thing needed that was far more important.'What ya gotta 'ave is bottle' he said. It was as if he'd seen right through me and knew I only had a fiver on.So that morning I put another fiver on,that was the extent of my 'bottle' in those days! The rest is history. |
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derby and especially the oaks have been bad punting races for me
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I was still a School Cardiff but saw him win the Leger at Donny.
I was indeed Foxy,obviously its hard to compare so no point arguing as we all have our favourities. Re Nijinsky I remember Lester being quoted as saying "he could win the nunthorpe" and he always puts Sir Ivor at the top of his pile but I think that's blinkered due to him making such a Horlicks of the Arc on Nijinsky. |
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Success Days reminded me of Silver Patriach and was a good price. Nobody thought it would stay but Jeremy was a great jumps sire which had produced Cheltenham(undlulating track) winners including Our Conor(rip). The great damsire was Fairy King who had produced a list of Derby winners as long as my toenails.The form was great too, it had beaten a fair yardstick by 10l.
It was Wednesday and bookies were slashing the price to 16/1, maybe because it was grey and they knew. I had to hunt around for a free bet offer on the interweb, there wasn't much time. The rest was history. |
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ribero
next time you have a free hour go on the race passes and just analyse his 3 years in training. |
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ribero........kept asking this old guy if he sold english newspapers and kept giving me writing paper........it was very frustrating......only other derby i didnt watch was camelots..my daughters wedding
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on the morning of the 83 derby there was in fact an inspection to see if racing could go ahead it wasn't made public knowledge until after it took place.
great thread jm |
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1990 must have been a shocking year if roger Charlton could win both the derby and the French derby.
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Thanks Foxy. I thought as it's Derby week it might be nice to reminisce a little. Biggest surprise is that we've had 100 posts and all of them have been good, it hasn't been hijacked by the usual suspects. Still time of course.....!
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Wasn't it Charlton's first full season with a licence? Not a bad start.
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yes jm it was there is an article in todays paper which reminded me.
I know he did well with al khazeem but backing his horses you will end up in the work house. |
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Cheers Foxy, I didn't get a paper today and missed that.
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the biggest hard luck story I ever had in the derby was in 2006
some of you may remember atavus from the forum well atavus was a good judge of top class racing and we would speak often on the phone about it,well back in 2006 he never shut up about dragon dancer and how he would win the derby prices around 200 were available on betfair so in the weeks leading up to derby day we would nibble away win only as he thought defeat was out of the question,come derby day you could have 100 with a couple of firms so I topped it up each way just in case he had got it wrong  well he did get it wrong the horse was beaten a short head.does anybody still have contact with atavus last time we spoke he was going to Africa to help the less well of as far as I know he is still out there. |
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time to set of for ripon now very much doubt I will see anything of the quality discussed on this thread however both saumarez and halling won at the garden course before going on to greater things.
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The Charlton wins were interesting but were perhaps due to the fact that Jeremy Tree got the best of the Juddmonte yearlings until he retired and Charlton inherited the 2 Derby winners from him. These days Fabre and Stoute seem to be getting the best ones although Gosden got Frankel. 5 years ago it would have been Sir Henry Cecil. I don't subscribe to the view that they were sub standard winners in 1990. Juddmone had Sanglamore, Quest For Fame and Deploy at the same time.
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Excellent thread, Chaps. Sorry not to have contributed anything so here goes.
My first Derby I remember very vaguely was Crepello (aged 5!!)- I was apparently at the previous year too but remember nothing of it. My favourite Derby winner was Santa Claus as it was the first one I backed on "form" and told everyone at School it would win. It also carried my favourite colours of Black and Green - I backed everything wearing Black and Green in those days - apparently one of my uncle's books (Cope's?) said that these two colours were the unluckiest colours - I was an early "contrarian" . Things got even better for my colours the following year when form and colours collided again. It has been downhill ever since, although I did back Generous as I couldn't remember seeing a single plain colour set of colours that didn't belong to a Lord and his being all Green. That was the start of a lifelong infatuation with plain colours  but that's another story. nb - I am all over Diamonds and Rubies for the Oaks |
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Great thread everyone.
In 1982 I was young, free & singleish. I went to my first Derby. I backed Golden Fleece at 7/2, I remember he was negative as he was such a big horse & the going was firm. The second was Touching Wood, who subsequently won the St Leger, who I backed at 7/1. (It was so much easier then!!) My mate who was a Willie Carson fan was shouting " where's Jalmood" I said "just coming round Tattenham Corner!!" I was arrogant in those days when I backed a winner. |
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THE MINSTREL not the best but coincided with my interest taking off and I was there that day.
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shanlee or anyone
i have a few lester paintings,[prints],and at a bootsale i go to every saturday ,for about the last month a bloke has that print in a lovely frame with no price on it,ive been tempted but our lass is sick of me buying them,what would you say is a fair price, £10,£20,? |
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My fav Derby was 1988 because that was when I first started going to the bookies and placing bets. I got an ante-post tip for
Luca Cumani's Kahyasi to win the Derby just before he ran at Lingfield. I got 25/1 and I also backed him to win at Lingfield (he was fav, won at 5/6). But despite winning cosily he wasn't really fancied come Derby day. There were a few others considered bigger players that year including impressive Dante winner Red Glow, runaway Chester winner Unfuwain (the mighty Nashwan's brother), Minster Son (who went on to win the Leger), and the Guineas winner Doyoun. So Kayhasi was an easy to back 11/1 but ran a tremendous race coming with a strong run on the outside to get past a battling Glacial Storm, with Doyoun finishing 3rd. Great memories. Ray Cochrane was my hero that day ! [ This image is no longer available. ] |
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in his next run kayhasi ran in the first sunday irish derby where he beat insan of paul coles ,Richard Quinn lost his job with the owners that day after dropping his whip in a tight finish,i am pretty certain glacial storm was 3rd.
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Insan, yeah I remember that one . The same horse he beat in the Lingfield Derby trial.
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the one and only Sea Bird ...flew in won on the bridle , ok you kids did not see him but its on Google you tube the highest rated Derdy winner ever
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This thread is absolute gold. My first Derby was the 'John Batten' Derby in 1997. Me and my dad stony broke having a picnic on the hill. My dad won enough on Ya Malak in the dash to get us our grandstand ticket in. Benny the Dip won. What a race I just remember a flash of white and the grey Silver Patriarch with Pat chasing him down. Fell in love with racing then and now I'm a lifer. Didn't back Benny though, had Romanov each way and I still remember the following Monday being summoned to the staff room at school forgetting I'd tipped my p.e teacher Romanov each way. He opened the door, gave me a cheeky wink and said 'Well done you've got me out of the doghouse this month' still no idea what he'd done but obviously the Romanov dosh made amends. I love the Derby.
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that's right platini, munro got the job who of course rode generous to win the derby, a few years later Quinn did ride again for fahd salman.
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platini
kayhasi was owned by the aga khan but which colours did he win the derby in ? |
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Lammtarra. Camera lost it as it began making that withering run for home. I had a good few quid on and just waited for it to enter the tv picture. Swinburn got it right!
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roy
that sounds like a description of the 86 arc you knew what was going to happen you just had to be patient. |
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I bet nobody has said Shahrastani
I had it at 20/1 in a round robin  my only winner  |
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the best chaser ever ARKLE ...
The Best hurdler FLY IN BOLT .... its all opinions , but if you aint been in this game about 50 years you have seen seen nothing |