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Any thoughts Ryan Moore or Lester Piggott at their peak ?
Any thoughts Ryan Moore or Lester Piggott at their peak ?
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When I was a youngster old timers used to say that Sir Gordon Richards was the greatest. For my money Steve Cauthen was great and may just have been the best on a front runner but Lester is a star. He has charisma.
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Yes Cauthen was top. This lad had it all strength, timing, balance, hands. and brilliant judge of pace. For me he was one of the best I ever saw, but Lester was better
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piggott's presence alone would add thousands onto a gate ... in the same way as spandau ballet singing a few songs after racing does nowadays
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There have been so many good jockeys. Murtagh,Fallon , Hughes and Dettori have all been seen to great effect and let us not forget Scobie.
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Remember going to Pontefract probably about 25 years ago. The Barney Curley runner Threshfield was running in a Handicap with top weight of 10 stone in the days when jockeys did not have to be declared until late on. In the paper there was just a blank where the jockeys name would appear. Who showed up on the beast but Lester who proceeded to win by a very comfortable margin at a very healthy price. I stood in awe at this sporting giant at a small Yorkshire course and was hooked on racing. Lester the greatest for me.
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Not a bad guess TMB, it was 7/8/91, a little artistic licence used with the healthy price perhaps, as it went off 11/10f and won all out by a head, then again maybe if it should have been 1/5 then 11/10 could be considered healthy...!
By coincidence Piggott in that race beat into second another great rider, Tony Cruz who was riding Spurned for Ian Balding, though he spent that year based in the UK riding Ecurie Fustok's horses for Mohammed Moubarak. |
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I first watched Lester in the early 1960s and without doubt at his peak he is the greatest jockey i've ever seen. Each generation throws up a couple of great jockeys Lester and Scobie ; Lester and George Moore; Lester and Cauthen ;Dettori and Fallon etc. Nowadays Ryan Moore is riding at the top of his game and if he keeps up his present standard of riding for another ten years then perhaps a comparison could be made. Bear in mind Lester's peak lasted twenty years;Ryan's peak has been going approx 18 months !
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Lester Piggott was on his own.
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Does anyone know the amount of meetings late 60s to mid 70s compared to today , or horses in training then compared to today
I would imagine maybe 50% less tho i cant be sure , a lot less anyway i doubt piggot would jock as many off today , or be on the best horse as often , its like comparing footballers from different eras, almost impossible |
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Sorry to come to this so late. Having watched him from the early sixties, I have Piggott clearly first (although he had untold advantages over other jocks) followed by Cauthen and Mercer, and then I'd have Moore just ahead of Starkey (Yes really!!). I'd guess that anyone who has Doug Smith or Scobie Breasley in their top ten is relying on stats, or what they've read, rather than experience of seeing them ride.
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Sorry to come to this so late. Having watched him from the early sixties, I have Piggott clearly first (although he had untold advantages over other jocks) followed by Cauthen and Mercer, and then I'd have Moore just ahead of Starkey (Yes really!!). I'd guess that anyone who has Doug Smith or Scobie Breasley in their top ten is relying on stats, or what they've read, rather than experience of seeing them ride.
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Sorry meant to add a comment on the quote "Piggott's presence alone would add thousands to the gate". This is a hard one to verify or quantify, but is surely total bollo cks.
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FIVE YEARS after Lester Piggott attracted huge crowds to Tralee, Frankie Dettori will follow in the great man's footsteps by riding at the Co Kerry track tonight.
Racecourse officials are hoping Dettori will have the same effect on the turnstiles as the "long fella" did. "Lester came five years ago and we had about 7,000 people," Pat Green, the course manager, said yesterday. surely ... |
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Ryan Moore has already been the best riding in the Uk for approximately 10 years and the best in the world for at least a few years. In big races no one comes close to Piggott but Moore is one who could by the end of his riding career. He's already easily the best since Lester imo. And anyone who thinks the standard of jockeys 40 years ago is better than now is letting nostalgia get the better of them. As in virtually all sports the competitors have become more professional, stronger and fitter. Lester Piggott was an exception because of his sheer genius.
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Was Lester really that grumpy as a few posts have suggested ?
I do agree Steve Cauthen was brilliant at his best. |
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Piggott for me, in a class of his own. Moore falls into group of very good jockeys.
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This is always worth a chuckle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH3S5kq2oSg |
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Im a massive Fallon fan. At his peak he was a fabulous jockey who won loads of races no other jockey riding at the time would have won on.
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A lot of, everything "was better in the old days" brigade on this thread!!!
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cork langer when i saw who was riding this and his only ride i backed this at 6/4 could not believe the price can still see the race now and i think only lester would have won on this
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Piggott. He told owners and trainers what he would ride which give a clue.
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Lester the King ,Hard as nails,especially when riding for his father inlaw.
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Bankit. Piggot was different class. Just like the old education system.
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U beat me to it ^^^
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Good morning Mange! I am also fed up of bloody predictive texts! Another modern phenomena that screws up my compositions. We are living in a world where thinking for oneself is fast disappearing. I wonder how today's " Settlers" would have fared against those that could.......IN THE OLD DAYS!
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It usted to be great fun in the office..............esp when I was chalking
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Hahaha. All the punters facing the list of runners and listening to the old Extel commentary . It rarely resembled the actual race! No bloody dimwits on fobts either! Hmmmm.......no Betfair though. Perhaps a rethink is required. Anyway, Lester was still the best!!!
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As much as I like Moore I'd have to go with Lester. Perhaps I'm also guilty of believing all sport was better in 'those' days, particularly the great boxers of the seventies to mid-eighties compared to the tripe we have now.
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Not much between Piggott and Eddery, they could both Hold anything, but I think they would do Moore in a Finish,
Pat did Not ride for as many years as Lester. Eddery; Was champion Flat jockey 11 times between 1974 and 1996, registering 209 wins in his best year, 1990. When he retired in 2003, he had ridden the winners of 4,632 British Flat races, including 14 Classics, He also rode 11 Classic winners in Ireland, where he was champion jockey in 1982, and 5 in France. Other major international successes included the 1985 Breeders' Cup Turf on Pebbles, the 1991 Breeders Cup Sprint on Sheikh Albadou and the 1986 Japan Cup on Jupiter Island. |
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brough scott to lester,"wot tactics will u use to beat w shumaker",reply, "put him in a straight jacket"
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Lester by a length and a half - but I would say that .......
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Ryan's definitely the best hockey out there at the moment.
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Lester could still out ride him well 6 days out of seven anyway
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Kinane & Murtagh both better than Moore.
Great rider tho. |
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when moore wins 8 more derbies we can discuss this
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No contest. Lester the best ever AND I remember the day of his first winner and the reaction to it.
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Secret Code
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No, just checked, the chase.
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same here for me, piggot was the master ! a one off !
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