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Dwyer and Mulrennan in race fix probe
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strange we got 2 Aussies who worked in Hong Kong who take no prisoners when it comes to jockeys and trainers, they arrive in Britain and they become the most cuddly kittens you could ever rare?.
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dont worry lads the carpet at BHA HQ affectionately known as "rug kilimanjaro" will take care of things .
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Mick Silvergreaser do you share bunkbeds? Hope you alternate . Have either of you ever put a view on what you fancy for a race beforehand ?
Do either of you gamble? |
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Why whats the problem luckyducky giving my opinion on this issue, there is possible/probable? jockey collusion at work an issue that should concern all punters.
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Adrian Nicholls was hauled in by the BHA for a tweet so surely these 2 can be asked for an explanation and possibly charged with bringing the game into disrepute?
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well done uk racing media for keeping the lid on this
shocking , any other sport would have this headline news |
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totally agree hello barely a whimper out of them.
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mick - you enjoy mindless rants don't you - you do realise that Paul Bittar has only been in the job a few months? Doing a good job as far as I can see.
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He will be in the job 2 years in January hardly a few months?, the BHA's handling of the Godolphin steroids issue and the Sungate 9 from Newmarket would hardly inspire confidence in his leadership, lift the rug please and lets sweep it under as quick as we can, not to mention their refusal to investigate the Indian newspaper revelations.
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the problem here is that the BHA have just decided not to reciprocate dwyers 56 day ban given in india (applauded by many in the media), if new evidence (a tape - which would be pretty conclusive you would think) suggests wrongdoing by dwyer (albeit an earlier incident) they are going to look more stupid than ever, so lets see just how unbiased they are going to be
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Let's just see whether a CD or "tape" ever turns up for unbiased verification.
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I have read through the transcript a few times. The worst things that could conceivably be alleged is that one jockey wanted to bet in a race in which he didn't have a ride , well over three and a half years ago. Yes, it can be construed that there was more to it, but it is hard to believe that whoever tapped the phone didn't try to get more evidence. A few more questions come to mind - (i) why was this sat on for as long as it was before being released at a time when it would take pressure off the Indian authorities; (ii)whether the recording was edited to show the jockeys in as bad a light as possible; (iii)who carried out the phone tap and (iv)whether jockeys in India routinely have their phones tapped.
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well put rydal, no one really knows the full facts but we do seem to want a scandal
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Rydal, the full transcript, or just what's in the newspaper reports?
If you've read the full transcript, what is the rest of that sentence Mulrennan is alleged to have said? |
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On second thoughts, if you know, best keep it to yourself for now!
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dave1357, i think its pretty obvious we are all waiting for more info to come out, some with more open minds than others.
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India is a corrupt country so they probably think its ok twist the rules to "get" a jockey when they don't have any admissable evidence.
think this sums up how closed minded you are, dave1357 now lets wait and see if the evidence stacks up rather than jumping to conclusions like a dimwit |
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good that you realise that you're a dimwit
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I know this aint going to be a popular view: BUT surely Big Mac would be our best chance of investigating this
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This does smell a bit funny - if somebody has been recording jockeys conversations in India then how many and whom have they recorded? If it's only this 1 then they must have struck very lucky and why sit on it for this time - if, as is much more likely, many more have been recorded then if this is the strongest recording of fixing they've got from the last 3 years then it may not amount to much more than (against the rules in India i presume?) jockeys betting.
RWIC are p!ssed at the ban being rescinded - to me the 2 cases are different and anybody that has seen the race MD got the ban for can't say it was proportionate. Do they or a journo have a library of cd's just for such an occasion? There's lots more questions that need answering and until the recording is released for others to hear and details of where it came from are known then those questions won't be answered. |
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Would love to find out the percentage of jocks who go out and try to win every race, i think the truthful number would have the likes of mick saying i told ya so unfortunately
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/others/RWITC-to-investigate-CD-issue/articleshow/24786054.cms
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I know we are all desperate to find that horse racing is rotten to the core but does no-one think this is not rather convenient.
Why has this tape taken 3.5 years to surface? Could there be another possible spin on this that the Indian stewards are not above reproach and this cd has been "found" to deflect attention away from them? |
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http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1114069&category=0
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My question to the Indian jockey club? would be why have they let dwyer keep on riding over there since they had,this information?.
Three an half years and they do make any request to the bha or our jockey club?,strange one that.Does not surprise me at same time either,just hope there a tougher stance taken in the future over these matters |
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are the bha any better? they seem to sweep a lot under the carpet and let people off lightly (usually blaming their rules not being strong enough), I'd guess the bha overruling their judgement has annoyed them into doing this
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Everyday horses are given as easy,a lot of the time in races they can't win anyway. Every trainer will try and get a handicap mark for their horse that they think they might win off. I think most punters accept that it happens,it's all part of the handicap system.
Pulling one that could win,but won't because connections or the jockey make sure it doesn't are the cancer of the sport. Any trainer or jockey caught pulling one should be banned for life |
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randomtwat - they are saying they only received the recording in September, that is their get out clause (whether or not this is true I don't know).
The BHA can talk a good game but are a complete waste of space when it comes to rules and enforcing them (unless it's a punter, a small trainer, apprentice jockey etc). What has Bittar done since he has been here bar cover up doping as best as he could, and let non jiggers carry on daily with no repercussions to those involved unless it's the list above. You only have to look at how they let one of their own back into the game after a ban etc - and they wonder why the game is on its knees and not gaining any new fans..... Where the sport will be in 20 years is anyones guess, I cannot see it ever picking up whilst this lot run it. |
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Gotta feel sorry for poor martin, if lucky he maybe able to delay things again till next winter
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Why should you feel sorry for that Dwyer prat.
He was lucky to get away with it in India should have let the locals have his balls that day bent as **** he is should get banned for life useless **** anyway won't be missed |
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according to the RP both jockeys are refusing to return to india after a legal summons has been made asking them to explain themselves regarding the reported telephone conversation
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It does go on, we know that, jockeys and trainers get a race sorted and all get on the agreed winner, its not just the punters but the owners i feel sorry for, they pay the bills and aren't told about it, not sure how regular that happens, but i know one occasion for sure, i was shocked what i heard, but it seemed normal to people involved
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if they dont return , the bha should ban them
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bumped to the top
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hh
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nothing ever came of this....hey but they cant ban dwyer.........he is the joker of the weighing room
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mulrennan still at it
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