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I think the BHA will use the time delay as an excuse also, struthers will clearly make it difficult and expensive to pursue it.
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Amazing, in this instant media world we now live, our trade paper has yet to report this story.
Mr Millington's droogies slow off the mark, or........ |
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cardiff I couldn't give two hoots if a jockey backs in a horse race out for a drink with the lads but when jockeys are backing other horses in races that they're riding in now thats a major problem.
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In that case motley, us crayon pushers must keep this subject at the top.
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If this CD exists and what they are claiming to have been said is true, then this is a MAJOR STORY and surely there are investigative journalists out there who want to check this out.
Does Andy Davies still work for Panarama!? |
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has it been said who owns/made the CD
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silver......to be fair he was telling me it was so certain to win even the jockey was backing it..this was back in 1993....though the horse won an handicap at 9/1 but ended up 2nd though well beaten in a gr1..although it was beaten by a genuine champion
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They don't trust our lot and who can blame em. Jocks can more or less do as they like over here.
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We will do Chelsea,
the cd will emerge, I'm sure it will, then the BHA will have to act |
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supported Dwyer 100% in the recent case where he got a ban and pleased that the BHA threw it out.
But surely the BHA have a duty to investigate one of their own licensed jockeys possibly involved in practices that are strictly forbidden in probably all horseracing jurisdictions worldwide? If a British citizen commits a crime or felony abroad, do British police or legal system ignore it because it didn't take place here? Fully aware that plenty of jocks must bet on the races they ride in. But knowing and suspecting are different things, and if Dwyer / Mulrennan have been caught redhanded backing another horse in a race in which they are riding, how does that inspire you to ever bet in a race in which the are involved in the future? |
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If no action is being taken by the regulatory authority under whose jurisdiction this incident falls I'll be surprised if the BHA does anything at all other than to try and smother the story as best they can
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Also perhaps gives some credence to the race riding ban invoked by the Indian authorities for the incident earlier this year and taints the view of the BHA in supporting (our) jockey and his claim of innocence!!
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Since the race was run three years back, RWITC stewards cannot take any retrospective penal action.
And not because we'd otherwise have to produce this CD and let lawyers hear it and allow the public to judge its authenticity. Oh no. |
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... Or whether it actually exists.
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screaming, reading the transcript of the recording it certainly sounds authentic particularly the bit about David Allan its hard to believe somebodies imagination made this conversation up?
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Those were exactly my thoughts, silvergreaser, until, like Colombo, I suddenly realized there was just one thing bothering me about this case ... nobody has actually seen (or heard) the evidence.
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p1 of the RP today, does not print the article. They mention in the event of a successful libel action against the paper they would expect to receive substantial damages. How do the RP know the libel laws and likely damages in India??
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I would not have thought either jockey would have the resources to fund a libel action in India, Mulrennan has had a lot of injuries, and Dwyer spent money defending the earlier Indian action
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I would not have thought either jockey would have the resources to fund a libel action in India, Mulrennan has had a lot of injuries, and Dwyer spent money defending the earlier Indian action
They'd sue for libel in London, if they can get PJA funding. |
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What would they be suing for?, if the newspaper has a copy of the conversation then it would put up a strong defence.
I presume both Mulrennan and Dwyer will say its not my voice on the recording as a defence, but by bringing a libel action might just be a double edged sword because the mainstream media will lash onto the story and bring very unwelcome attention to horse racing and the protaganists concerned. Personally I hope they do bring a libel action could be just what the doctor ordered from a punters perspective. |
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this reporter has seen the transcripts
In other words, the Mumbai Mirror, at least when it published the article, did not have the CD and had not even heard the conversation. |
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I think race fixing in the UK was pretty common 30 years ago. "one race a day" was the quote I remember from a big bookie.
A bit harder now than when the Yorkshire maffia were on the loose. There are still plenty of none jiggers, has anyone watching the markets on here can see. Much harder to fix a race now I would imagine with the banning of mobiles, phone records, more cameras, private investigators etc. Still disturbing to read that they might be at it abroad. Another two I wont be using. David Allan might get a chance though. |
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Ramruna how can they sue in London? The English courts have no power to make the Indian Newspaper appear here and even if they awarded damages how could they enforce the award? India would give them the 2 fingers.
I doubt if the PJA have the funds to assist and even if they did I do not think they would spend it on a libel action in India seeing as Jockeys have to pay for representation at the BHA |
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Ramruna how can they sue in London? The English courts have no power to make the Indian Newspaper appear here and even if they awarded damages how could they enforce the award? India would give them the 2 fingers.
Perfectly possible for them to sue, and gain judgement, in London. I believe we have a reciprocal agreement with India which would allow them to enforce the judgment there. The law was tightened up a bit in this area earlier this year though. |
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you would have expected the jockeys to have publicly denied the allegations by now, be interesting to see if dwyer says anything at winsor today
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*windsor
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not mentioned on atr or on the racing post website.....shamefull
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Send CD to BHA, PJA: RWITC members
Usman Rangeela, Mumbai Mirror | Oct 21, 2013, 09.55 AM IST Secret CD blows lid off race-fixing PUNE: Following the contents of the CD being published in this newspaper on Saturday, members of the Royal Western India Turf Club (RWITC) have beseeched the stewards' body with demands that the CD should be sent to the British Horseracing Authority (BHA) and the Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) also. "Didn't the BHA cast doubts over our (RWITC's ) regulatory system by refusing to reciprocate Martin Dwyer's 56-day riding ban," a senior club member was overheard saying after confronting a steward on Saturday. He also mentioned about PJA vehemently arguing about Dwyer's innocence. "You must inform both these institution of this development and immediately send them a copy audio recording and its transcript. Let's then see how they deal with these professionals," this member quipped. The RWITC's stewards' body will have a busy schedule this weekend as their previously scheduled meeting on Friday last to pore over the transcript of the alleged conversation between two British jockeys, the recording of which was provided to them by the club's chairman Khushroo Dhunjibhoy , was deferred and posted for hearing later on Saturday. When the stewards' body meets for the last time during this Pune season, it will consider the necessary action or steps as demanded by the situation. At the end of Saturday's racing here, the stewards also asked the stripes to hold a detailed inquiry into the running of Padmakosa, first favourite to win the race, which suddenly stopped racing midway during the 1000-metre race. Jockey NS Parmar, who was astride Padmakosa, had to dismount the filly about 400-metres from the winning post. Padmakosa, who reportedly bled during the race, was kept under veterinary observation after she returned from the race. The club's senior veterinary officer and the stripes submitted their individual reports to the stewards, who subsequently directed them to initiate a thorough investigation and file their report at the earliest. |
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This story is not going to away. If the indians send the CD to the BHA they must surely investigate? Would not be surprised if one of the red top's ran this story in the coming days. Obviously The Racing Post will be silent.
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Max Clifford would be proud of comrade Struthers. Once you bring the "we're consulting our lawyers" B/S into it you know they can then turn down every request for interviews.
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all aboard the gravy train chooo choooo
fair play to chris cook again not for the first time the only one not scared of his own shadow |
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can only assume that the Indian Turf Club were out to get Dwyer after receiving the CD but being told they could do nothing about it as it was too long ago? Though I find it odd that their rules have timebarred them from doing so if that is the case.
Can totally understand how they came to ban him for 2 months now, payback time. |
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Every jock must feel hacked right off over this ...
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the only sport in the world where the participants are 100% free of any criticism from the media. and please be aware, it is a very corrupt sport. one of the worst.
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How many jockeys have a bet? I have no idea, but in their shoes I would find it pretty hard not too.
Graham Bradley got done for investing a tenner at Cartmel, but it is not something that crops up very often. |
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the low prize money in UK lends itself to rampant corruption. of course they bet all the time. the game is rancid.
americas leading jockey in prize money won is still riding. it was mentioned the other nite on ATR that he has won 290m USD in prize money. yes thats 290M USD...............if he gets 10%, thats 29m. now theres an incentive to behave yourself. |
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Any jockey betting at present , after the high profile witch-hunts of recent years has to be seriously daft in the head.
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something bugging me about all this ....
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Martin Dwyer saga threatens to damage Anglo-Indian relations (Telegraph)(J McGrath)
Jockeys take legal advice over Mumbai allegations as BHA claims flaws in way original case was heard Relations between the once-close racing communities of India and Britain have been strained to breaking point with two reports featuring the Derby-winning jockey Martin Dwyer published in the past week. Dwyer and fellow jockey Paul Mulrennan are taking legal advice over an article that appeared in a Mumbai newspaper on Friday alleging their involvement in wrongdoing. Both were named, and the allegations, which are potentially damaging to their reputations and careers are understood to have all been denied by them. The second report was an official one, the findings of the British Horseracing Authority, which set out its reasons for not reciprocating the ban imposed on Dwyer by the Royal Western India Turf Club over his riding of the filly Ice Age in a race at Mahalaxmi in Mumbai last February. In a detailed explanation of their reasons, the disciplinary panel, chaired by Timothy Charlton QC, found that Dwyer’s case had been prejudiced by the chairman of the RWITC panel Adi Narielwala, who had requested that the tribunal members examine still photographs taken of a recording of the race. Narielwala reportedly expressed the view to his panel that this was “a certain case of malpractice”. In its report, the BHA’s disciplinary panel, concluded: “Though this may seem at first glance to be a purely procedural matter, it is far from a mere technicality. “Dwyer had a basic right to an unbiased evaluation of his case. "Nobody knows what the result would have been if all six of the board of appeal members had approached it with open minds.” To date neither Narielwala or the RWITC are reported to have commented on the findings of the BHA report The timing of the publication of the Mumbai newspaper allegations – claimed to be from recordings on a CD supplied by an anonymous source – as well as the BHA findings, which stretch to 36 points, are certain to inflame an already volatile situation. Paul Struthers, the chief executive of the Professional Jockeys’ Association, again called for all jockeys contemplating a professional engagement India to be cautious. “It is not up to me to tell members what to do, but again I advise them to be very careful, and to be aware of who they are riding for. “There are a lot of people [in India] with their noses out of joint over what has happened recently,” he said. |
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for me paul bittar is an absolute digrace to british racing , a guy bleating bout whip rules, pr bullshit to disguise the corruption that is rife in the game, this person bittar on a daily basis refuses to deal with jocks not riding out for a place and jocks stopping horses left right and centre, people on this forum knew years ago bout betfair eddie antics but the concealment kept going for ages, eddie was stopping horses regularly and nothing done, the stats is mind boggling how favs finish just outside the places regularly , its amazing how favs finish 4th instead of placing but this tuilip lets the rancid caper go on, the chooo chooo media for the last mths have painted dwyer as an angel, and not a word on atr bout this new evidence, what other sport would let this happen, unfortunately the bha with bittar at the helm are a disgrace, we have the most corrupt game now in the world, its just totally rancid the situation now
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