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Are you suggesting it`s a bad move to cover horses up and wait for gaps to appear? I guess it`s a good idea when the gaps do appear but a bad one when they stay shut. Well done Tonto you have been elected forum genius! ![]() |
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Gabby you seem incapable of taking on even the most basic of arguments if it deviates even slightly from your blinkered and fawning view,that everyone in racing must be beyond criticism.You are a sycophant,blinded to the point of idiocy.
So your latest attempt,after the laughable 8 out of 10 hoses have gaps open for them at GOODWOOD or that a horse can only be stopped from getting a run by more than 3 horses,to justify Hughes ride.Is that Hughes deliberately steered SL in behind other horse close home because he wanted cover.So he was prepared to take a major risk of losing a gr 1 race to get cover for a horse that has never shown it needs cover.Not logical is it Gabby.Some horses need cover to run their best races most don't,so its best on those horses not to go into areas where a clear run is unlikely. Why don't you try one of your Favorite anti punte pro the great a good arguments,that I must only be moaning because I am a pocket talker.All your other arguments have fallen flat on their face. |
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Once you have finished wringing out your hank Tonto i will precede.........ready?
Sky Lantern was attempting 10f for the very first time, covering her up to attack at the furlong pole would have been the plan. Taking her wide may have lit her up too early. Of course it`s a game of chance and Buick ragging his horse about all over the shop was decisive to keep SL from having a clear run. Your duality thought process keeps it simple but only a simpleton would ignore other situations during a horse race. Have you ever ridden a horse?? |
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I think there are some fair points on both sides. In my opinion the horse had a run on the outside. Hughes took a pull and got some cover to make sure she didn't go too early over the trip - that ultimately cost her as the run she had on the outside evaporated.
I think, granted a clear run, she would have scrambled home with a burst of speed between the 2 and 1. Certainly travelling better than the winner as she tried to squeeze into the gap. The horse has speed. We all know she is not an out and out galloper, so she was never gonna get home after meeting that kind of trouble. As for the ground, I honestly don't think it was fast enough for her, especially over the trip. She wants it rattling and a fast time won't convince me that the ground didn't have a bit of cut, or at the very least dead patches. |
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Well put. Horses that are produced for a burst of speed especially over an extended trip need cover, they don`t want to be seeing daylight over 3 furlongs from home. There is luck involved by keeping them covered up until between the 1&2 pole but this is the pre race thought process rather than keeping them wide away from trouble. It`s all about saving them and taking your chances, sure punters feel mugged there is always a bigger picture. |
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So a horse that you may have doubts about staying(none were expressed by connections,infact the opposite)the plan was to keep asking it to decelerate and quicken again.The surest way to tire a horse.The best way to keep a horse from tiring,is to allow it to run at a smooth and uninterrupted pace,then to quicken.So did this cunning plan work to steer SL in behind and then have to keep snatching up,did that help the horse stay the extra 2 furlongs.Would you advise Hughes to do the same again if the race was re run?
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Yes on a horse that has shown itself to need cover,it may have been worth the risk but not on a horse that has shown it can win by keeping things simple.
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Tonto thinks that by covering up a horse is the surest way to tire it out.
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actually Toronto I think you have a valid point and I think the jockey made a mistake. That's why I agree with both of you.
I can see the thinking behind what RH did. I think they thought she would get the trip, but not if they had to expend too much energy too early. She was ridden for one final burst of speed. We see the risks of not doing that all the time. Horse hits the front too early and gets done by a stronger stayer. Personally I think he should have ensured the passage towards the outside. Which was what he had done to such good effect at Ascot. I also think that if you look at the passage Hughes took on Pethers Moon, he was at pains to keep it as near the inside as possible, a tactic he seemed to think paid dividends on the round course this week (not saying he is wrong). |
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The surest way to tire SL was running it into the back of other horses,when it was not necessary.AG so do you think every horse benefits from being covered up?If not why do you think it was a good idea to take this risk of being stopped with SL.
That's the main point D2E SL did not have to be covered up to win,so it was an error to do place it in a position where trouble was very likely. |
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I'm kinda bored criticising RH now and I have done plenty of it. He is genius and flawed in fairly equal measures, but he showed his vulnerability when interviewed on track a few weeks back, so probably deserves a break.
The frustration is watching someone that you know is incredibly good but, for whatever reason, doesn't always want it. |
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Agree D2E Hughes is very good most of the time but as on SL he over complicates too many times.Not sure if its because he likes to show boat or just that he gets himself in bad positions too often.
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Why do you suggest 3 horses is a wall? I have never heard of this before
to plenty of jocks, just takes one horse in front of them to create an impenetrable wall..... no, having said that, some jocks don't even need one horse...... |
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I personally think Hughes's problem stemmed from when Johnny's Murtagh's horse drifted towards the inside across the Godolphin runner which caused that one to edge out across Hughes, so was as much the Godolphin runner edging out as it was Hughes going back inside. Whilst he certainly did go inside for a stride or two, I was as a result of what the other horses did ahead of him, yet once the Godolphin runner went a length up on him he then tried to edge out again to make the run some on here are saying he should have all along. That actual run wouldn't have been possible anyway with the Godolphin runner edging out unless Hughes edged out even more, meaning he went even wider, otherwise he would have just run up the arse of the Godolphin horse and have been stopped in his tracks.
Unfortunately for him at just about the time he went inside to avoid the Godolphin runner edging out across him, as he tried to come back out again himself a few strides later, Buick came up on his outer and gave his horse a slap with the whip in his left/wrong hand and pushed Hughes back in again. Even then for a stride or two it looked as if Hughes could still have come between the Godolphin horse and Buick on the winner until they both performed a pincer move on Hughes and squeezed him up, causing him to snatch up and costing him any chance of a place let alone any chance of the win. |
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rides 6/4 under,13, wins 9,=+3.5 profit,24 per cent return on investment,
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r walsh,6/4 under 5, 4 won ,=+3 profit,60 per cent return on investment,
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Ima
You read the Hughes/Sky Lantern race exactly the ame as me. Sajjhaa and SDS were edging to the outside and SL was probably slightly edging with the pack infront of her so if Hughes was to go wide at that stage he would have had to pull her wide so he nipped her in to take advantage of the cover for a few more strides but by then Buick had come up on the outside cracking his horse with the whip in his left hand resulting in Winsili being problamatic for Hughes. I just guess was also stook in 2 minds as to wether to muscle SL to the outside or attempt a stylish move and wait for a passage between the front horses. A bad decision or victim of circumstance? Yes he could have reacted quicker but he was still odds on for a gap to appear. Tis racing i`m affraid, especially when they all start rolling about at Goodwood. |
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can't add much to what has been said about the ride except that I don't think she would have won anyway.
Sky Lantern looked a world beater at Royal Ascot but has subsequently had two unpleasant experiences, clouted on the head by Buick's whip at Newmarket and then squeezed out and buffeted about at Goodwood. Deserves a break now, bring her back in the Autumn if there's some decent ground. I hope they keep her in training as 4yo, sure there is more to come from her. |
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hughsey 5 wins 1 nr.windsor.
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The man is pure class, without a shadow of a doubt, the best jock riding today
how anyone can compare fallon to him, is just laughable . |
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Compare their number of jockey title wins and classic winners and then you might understand it's not actually as laughable as you misguidedly think...........and Hughes just for good measure via a couple of family connections has had things a lot easier in the game compared to Fallon too.
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Fallon was and always will be on dimensional jockey, devoid of class or style in the saddle
a one trick pony type. If you wanted one getting stuck into, he's was your man, no finesse whatsoever agricultural jock... |
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Well as long as that one trick is to get his horse over the line before anyone else then I don't think he will get too many complaints.
Not that he was a one trick pony anyway as his rides from off the pace and getting up late with perfect timing have shown on many occasions, as much as his completely different rides when he has set out to make all and judged the pace to perfection and won have also shown. Meanwhile with a finesse jockey like Spencer, well best of luck backing him looking stylish and and crossing the line in 5th having given the horse far too much to do but at least he looked the part eh? Oh and as far as I'm aware, you don't get paid out any extra on here if your jockey is pleasing to the eye in the saddle. |
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I suppose you have 25 years experience riding out as well
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No but my family come for Galway and I grew up around horses and have worked in a number of stables in the past, although not racing ones and nor have I ever ridden in an actual race.
I've also never driven in a Grand Prix race either but when a driver crashes into the tyre wall I think I can work out something went wrong there, and I'm assuming all gynaecologists must not only be female but mothers too as who else would be qualified to make medical judgements on the female reproductive system? ![]() |
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It wasn't that long ago Hughes used to be a laughing stock on here.Stoute did not want him near any of his Abdulla horses and he probably played a big part in getting him sacked.
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Hughes is good when he keeps it simple. God only knows why this concept seems to be difficult for him to stick to.
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Sorry busy on another thread dealing another fantacist
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I just hope Flyingbolt never finds out where you live.
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Yeah he'll probably ride up my way, popping away over the hedges, on a 25yo hunter
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