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you don't see AK winning the race Mr Homer J?
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Forget about AK's turf race prior to the Kentucky Derby, He was a young horse still learning the game, Let's concentrate on his more recent turf form.
Beaten by Wise Dan in the Breeders Cup Mile, too many an observer, he was given a poor ride by Rafael Bejarano- Whilst I am not saying that he would have beaten the monster that is WISE DAN - he would certainly have been closer, anybody see any of the horses behind him that day?? Excelebration and Moonlight Cloud.... Fantastic piece of form. Then on his return this year, beaten by POINT OF ENTRY (US top older turf horse) P.O.E won last week but unfortunatley suffered what may be a career ending injury- Point of Entry had previously come 2nd in the B/Cup turf - (under a poor ride also...this time from Jonny Val) behind Point of Entry that day ...St Nicholas Abbey and Shareta. When POE beat AK this year, it was a farce of a race, AK went for home a LONG way out and was outstayed by POE ... Behind them is a horse that will rate highly this year - Unbridled Command. Animal Kingdom reeks of TOP CLASS. .... Absolute Top Class. ... Johnny Val is one of the top turf riders in the U.S and a man for the big occasion... LUMP ON AT ANYTHING OVER EVENS !!! |
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Four-year-olds have won 17 of the last 21 runnings. If you are looking to find a way to getting Animal Kingdom beaten, being aged five, then that would appear to be your best statistical angle.
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good right up and clears up the losses in 3 out of his last 4 turf races THANKS!!
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when I bet big I want everything in my favour if it is short odds
and let me tell you, everything is most definitely not in Animal Kingdom's favour here yes the BC form looks exceptional but how does that run on a left hand flat, firm American track have any relation to running on the straight track on watered going at Ascot? It is a leap of faith that he will transfer the apparent superiority to the race tomorrow and he may well do so but I am not surprised he has drifted from 1.84 to 2.02 hitting 2.16 on the way definitely think there will be better evens shots to be had without the question marks |
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Take a close look at the breeding of Animal Kingdom, the fact that he won a Kentucky Derby is unbelieveable, all his breeding points to turf racing.
Sired by multiple graded turf winner - Leroidsenameaux (Spell check!) - the dam DALICIA (GER)sired by Acatenango and grandfather is no other than Dancing Brave... Wants Turf as much as I want more money in my account to LUMP ON !!  Gotta love this game, times like this that make a man or mouse off ya !! Whatever the route you take tomorrow, let's hope they all come back in one piece (20 lengths behind the camp AK!!) |
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maybe To Place would be "safer"
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Leroidesanimaux
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I only back To Win if the horse is/was called Frankel or Sprinter Sacre
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what's PP record like with the offer? if AK wins all losers refunded
I remember several that got beat, anyone remember the winners? |
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Sprinter Sacre (Arkle)
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cor that was a bad one then, that was a monster punt
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a bad one
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appreciate the Breeders Cup form but you've also got to factor in that Excelebration (particularly) and Moonlight Cloud had travelled 8 or 9 time zones at the end of the European flat season. Excelebration had won the Champions mile only two weeks previously and the ground in California would have been plenty quick enough for him.
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...actually Excelebration's attempt to win the Breeders Cup Mile looks a mirror image of what Animal Kingdom is attempting to achieve tomorrow - a final prestigious victory in alien conditions before going to stud.
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indeed rease
conditions totally different |
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who are the equivalents of what Animal Kingdom and Wise Dan were to Excelebration in this race though?
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fair point - you're probably relying on some of the 4yos improving, Elusive Kate looks like she's been laid out for the race, I would n't be surprised if Trade Storm won or Sovereign Debt but agree a leap of faith is involved to a certain extent.
Interesting that AK went off at 14/1 in the Breeders Cup race, then got turned over at odds on before beating the likes of Red Cadeaux, Planteur(!), Side Glance, Treasure Beach(!) and Hunter's Light in Meydan. It's all about opinions - just AK far too short for me based on all the imponderables. That's me off the fence, I think. |
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Think we could see an upset here and I like Penitent at huge prices
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Think the price for the BC was as much about the concern he was coming back from two pretty serious injuries.
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no chance to many negatives, draw, going, breeding he might be some beast he will need to be
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2.35pm tomorrow ... when the champ has beat this field of glorified listed horses- evens will look MASSIVE.
you have been advised gentleman and I say this in all sincerity. Animal Kingdom is a monster. Maximum win bet and makes the placepot only 5 legs for me. |
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Shiekh, I like the cut of your jib
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Thanks 3setpoints.
I am actually not in any way trying to be funny nor cause any consernation, I am simply telling it as I see it. This horse is COMPLETELY different class, If you put any of his opponents tomorrow in any of the races he as contended they would be beat out of sight. I fully understand the "travelling, New racecourse" etc... but were these not issues he faced before destroying the Dubai World Cup field? Evens is a gift ... Come tomorrow I could look really silly.... But I'll take any amount at around evens i'm not. |
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watch this and become a believer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjaQzlN82fg |
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This was the Point of Entry vs Animal Kingdom race from Gulfstream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XIUpz0KS3w |
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Sorry fans of AK but the home-boys are too strong; massive lay at the price.
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And in case anybody was on Mars.... (the planet, not the horse) ... Here's the Dubai World Cup...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5Cu3Aq3zA |
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Boosup... The "Homeboys" .... Which one and why ? You don't think the filly is the biggest threat to the champ?
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well the DWC is v impressive. he beat the mug Side Glance though, and Red Cadeaux was catching although he is a great finisher.
I see what you mean about the Breeders. the way he was finishing was devastating. left it too late? |
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I take your point but he is a massive lay to all the rules that I follow.
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Not a fan of the U.S jocks on turf to be honest (I know that there is one on him tomorrow but that is why he is evs and not 1/5)
Both his defeats -(I personally thought) were because primarily of bad rides... I am not saying in any way shape or form he would have beaten WISE DAN as that horse is a SUPREME CHAMP. Just though he could have been closer to the action, found trouble and Boom Flew when he got open air !! |
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why did he leave it til half a furlong to unleash that power in the breeders!?
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In my world the fairer sex only rules when represented in numbers, class or informed appeal. This is not the case here.
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Fair play Boosup .. Each to their own pal, we have to follow our own rules.
I am CONVINCED this is one of those very rare occasions that after a race we look at ourselves and say, How on earth did we let a Kentucky Derby, Dubai WOrld Cup winner go off at evens against this lot. Believe me, If there were anything of any note in this race I would be less confident, but there is not. |
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Well put sir and good luck to all of us.
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And same to you Boosup.
Whatever happens, win, lose or draw (preferably not draw) - I shall be back on here at 2.33pm tomorrow.... Commiserating or congratulating!! |
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GOOD LUCK All
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mugs just trying to look supreme by laying the cert of the day
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