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betfred / tote licences run [ mostly ] until 2018. will any renew these licences after then is a fair question
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2-3 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A NIGHT MEETING AT HUNTINGDON ,THEY HAD THOMMO DOING THE PR WORK ROUND THE BACK THEY WERE KNOCKING EVERYBODY ELSE INTO A COCKED HAT NOBODY IN THE RING THOMMO ROUND THE BACK MAKING A RIGHT OLD FUSS OVER EVERY ONE DOING ACRACKING JOB AS IVE ALWAYS THOUGHT HES THE BEST ....BUT THE APATHETIC BOOKIES IN THE RING WOT DID THEY DO ...............MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MAON MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MAON MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN ....THE HIERACHY WITHIN THE ON -COURSE BOOKIES HAVE USED THERE KNOWLEDGE AND FINANCIAL CLOUT TO BETTER THERE SELVES (DONT BLAME EM)AND AT THE END OF THE DAY .....FK THE REST YA DONT COUNT
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PETE IN 10 YEARS NOTHING WILL CHANGE
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your right johny
in 10 years time course bookmakers will be expected to be like club 18 holiday reps and play party games whilst looking after all the stag and hen party goers at the weekends. then spend the rest of the week standing about saying isn't it quiet wheres everybody at the two job bookies who are only in it to scoop the cream of the weekend hordes back gone back to work for a rest not bothered if their joke ew terms and the drunken yobs are starting to become a turn off to the old school race goer. why should they worry there will be a another party crowd ready to rock and roll every weekend till the sun goes down. |
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The big problem with you guys is failing to see the other view(punter's).
In the "old " days" when a horse was being backed,not every board was changed at the same time,and if you were quick you could still get 5/2 in a place,before it went 9/4,or get 9/4 before it went 2/1. I say this as I was talking to a friend yesterday that went to a meeting recently,and watched his selection shorten from 5/2 to 15/8 without being heavily backed in the ring as there were very few punters there,due to it shortening on the exchange. The result was,, my pal said, it is now a waste of time going racing,and he generally goes prepared to invest £100 over the day.There must be many punters taking the same view. He said it was very clinical watching every board change at the same time,and ALL resulting with the same lower price. He was wondering,and I didn't know the answer,if the boards change automatically,without the necessity of buttons being pushed. |
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not yet , unbiased , but that idea is already in the pipeline
but at least your friend could have had 5/2 if he hadn't waited for someone to go 11/4 |
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Bad reply adge,there aren't any excuses,you are only assuming he was looking for 11/4,which he wasn't !
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I had the same experience at Ripon last week. 3/1 on the board, I asked for 3 twenties. The price changed to 11/4 has she had the money in her hand and she said to me "you can have your money back if you don't want 11/4. I took my money back and we went home.
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What firm was that Barstool?
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Sorry cant remember the name, but was about in the middle of the row in front of the old low level stand.
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I go racing at least once a week - for a day out with my pals - the comments from unbiased and barstool are right on the money.
The prices just change automatically without any input from the bookmaker - all along the line the prices are virtually the same - we (my pals and me) would all hate to see the bookies disappear from the course but there is no denying that the colour and buzz has gone from the ring. Betfair is the problem but it is not going to go away - bookies no longer have to make a tissue - nobody has an opinion anymore. I should add that Betfair has helped my punting enormously but as far as on course is concerned there has been a price to pay ..... |
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thats what you decent bookies are fighting
the general feeling of mistrust and sharp practises that these charlatans bring into the ring. have they never heard of customer service |
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How I pine for the old chalk boards. A price would "go" yet there would still be someone there prepared to lay it. Remember often being assured "don't worry you will all get on "
This is what the ring is missing, a few characters prepared to tempt the punters in. |
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10 Jun 13 14:29 I had the same experience at Ripon last week. 3/1 on the board, I asked for 3 twenties. The price changed to 11/4 has she had the money in her hand and she said to me "you can have your money back if you don't want 11/4. I took my money back and we went home. That is just way beyond despicable, that's not a bookmaker. The old school layers like Stephen Little for example who the old timers on here will no doubt remember would never dream of behaviour like that. I would have properly kicked off and made a scene if that happened to me. |
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quite right bar stool
you could stand in front of the bookmakers do your mental arithmatic and most times work out if your fancy was going to go out in price or if you had better grab the odds on show. in fairness to the books it must be pointed out that the slaveish following of betfair has slashed their profit margins and the old bit of value we all used to scuttle about looking for has been given to us for free in most cases. the problem facing the books is that betfair gives even better value without all the expences of going to the course the offices will give you BOG double result proper ew terms etc. most people who go and watch live sport go for the atmosphere once the buzz starts to go for you you might as well stop at home and take advantage of the wall to wall overage thats available now a days |
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agreed slippy , it isn't it's a girl that knows a horse has four legs and nothing more. the person who altered the price was probably 20 yards away
I can add that if you backed with me you would have got the price you wanted even without asking but I can't speak for others. and the prices all being the same is because they are all price matching the exchange [ or close to it ] what do you want them to do in the old days everyone would be 9/4 , unbiased , and your friend would have found pleasure pinching 5/2. NOW THEY ARE ALL 5/2 and nobodies happy |
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As said adge,you fail to see the punter's view,and wrongly assume things .Ask yourself why some want multiple pitches.
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could discuss for ever but soory , gotta go , off to southwell
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You do fractions as well adge no doubt, you're old school
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I agree with "unbiased" no completion all the board change at the same time the only difference is which bookie is offering the correct EW terms. I remember years ago an old bookie standing on the end in tatts at Chester offering top price on every fav he made an absolute fortune. Big Cahooners in those days.
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^ Competition...never could spell
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I am wonder how many bookies study the form now and bet their own opinion. Not many I guess. Too easy to lay 4/1 on course then bet it on here at 5/1.
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do you lot just set out for a days racing to find those who will knock you back if the price has gone ?
there are plenty of books who will lay a fair bet to whoever is in the cue even when its gone on the exchange,there are also plenty who lay fractions. barstool was that tuesday or Wednesday night at ripon ? |
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BARSTOOL,KEEP TAKING THE TABLETS,PUNTERS HAVE NEVER EVER HAD IT SO GOOD AS THEY HAVE NOW AND THATS A FACT,GRANTED THE MAJORITY OF THE RINGS ARE COMMISSION AGENTS,VERY FEW LAYERS LEFT,BUT FROM A PUNTING POINT OF VIEW THE RACECOURSE LAYERS ARE THE BEST VALUE IN THE WORLD,NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE,HOPE THIS HELPS
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factmachine, I was refused 16 ponies on course recently when it was 17.0 on here and he had 16/1 showing on his board. He looked to see if he could fiddle and when he couldn't (I knew the price on here) he said no...!
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SLIPPY U SHOULD HAVE REPORTED THE COMMISSION AGENT TO THE RING BIZZIE(NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE COMPLAIN??)1.01 THE SAID AGENT WAS BETTING ON THE FRONT LINE AS WELL
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name them slippy
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Foxy, Tuesday afternoon. I was not trying to sneak a price. It was the bookie who wanted to nick the quarter point.
Factmachine-- I think you may have contradicted yourself. |
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barstool
I had a day out myself last Tuesday at ripon and I don't remember a female on the 2nd row ,I might be wrong perhaps ribero could confirm either way. |
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BARSTOOL,THE LAYERS OFFER THE BEST VALUE/PRICES ON THE PLANET,CRYSTAL CLEAR,COME RACING.
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I'd rather not name names to be honest with you, bit distasteful to do so on here although I probably should.
I was brought up like many of you with old school layers, not this modern lot who won't take a view. |
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I don't think many people mind the flimpers in the ring as the other books usually just get on with their own thing...... but the stories that crop up on here are a total farce ( a knock back for 16 ponies, £20 refused at 14 cos it was 14 on the machine and a whole list of others) and give the people who actually want to have a go at making a book at the track a bad name.....
It really is time to somehow differentiate the proper bookmakers in the ring compared to the Flimpers, I think somebody suggested a colour coded flag on the joint before... |
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fair enough slippy.
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As Fact correctly states,the punter has never had it so good.God knows what the bookie is doing offering 16/1 when it's 17 on here but if Slippy had looked around he would have found some other idiot offering 15/1.
Pre exchange you'd have been lucky to have found 12/1 and been ecstatic if you'd got got 14s! |
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Too true Artful!
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Far too many slaves to the machine in the ring these days Ribero.
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factmachine is in denial as usual ....
We punters have never had it so good is true but only because we were being ripped off with 130/140% over rounds before Betfair arrived on the scene. |
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CREPELLO,VERY TRUE IF U BET IN 2 QUIDS
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People on here would only be happy if we bet over broke giving them 20/1 so they could lay 12 on here.as if that's gonna happen.keep dreaming.
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Betfair layers offer a 106% book (including commission ),in the last 10mins of most races,on course bookies/commission agents offer nothing close to that.
Betfair app getting better. Better wi fi and cellular connectivity on the way should mean betting on course through a mobile becomes simple and effective for on course punters. |