REGIT - You have been posting some very perceptive, reasonable comments of late but..'we dont want to look split'...YOU MUST BE JOKING....anybody who bets 1/4 1234 at circa 100% place these days, is very busy....they might not be winning...but they're busy

mmmalushka     02 May 13 14:05 
roo, you stick to what you know best, fast picture thieving/tracksider

I know more than youll learn if you live to 1,000 yrs old lad, hence why ive got the trip and thousands havent, less of the insults tho whoever you are.

What I find very odd about all this overbroke talk,is it ISN'T anything new.I can remember backing e.w. on overbroke books oncourse long before exchanges were on the scene.Have also bet into overbroke win  books at----yes Cheltenham at the beginning of the season meeting.So it happened on grade one courses,not just at the gaffs.
  If any bookmaker says they never attended a meeting,pre exchanges,when the betting in the ring was under 100%,I would be amazed,no,I would dispute it.
A bookmaker,now retired through ill health,told me that on a seven race card one day,they bet overbroke on the win book on 3 races.However it didn't bother him as he was only concerned about the end of his year figures.

REGIT - but it's not a dead DUCK....yet

TheNorfolkMafia     02 May 13 14:16 
roo • May 2, 2013 2:09 PM BST
mmmalushka     02 May 13 14:05 
roo, you stick to what you know best, fast picture thieving/tracksider

I know more than youll learn if you live to 1,000 yrs old lad, hence why ive got the trip and thousands havent, less of the insults tho whoever you are.


^^^^^Oh dear,^^^^
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i fail to understand you, the norfolkmafia.

Swift Tuttle has kindly shown you how much better off you are betting on here than with on course bookmakers and nobody bothered to question or reply to him. I become ever more convinced that this is a thread for a few bitter and twisted bookmakers lamenting the good old days and hoping that they could some how rejuvinate the halcyon days of long lines of mug punters taking anything that's offered to them. In the past they have never given two hoots about the conditions they were offering punters, its only now that times are desperate for them that they showing this considerate face. My message remains the same, in your current form we (racing and punters) dont need you.

"Swift Tuttle has kindly shown you how much better off you are betting on here than with on course bookmakers"

The SP is for off course not on course.....
How many of swift-tuttle's 93784 bets were Each Way bets?

I am equally amused that you think punters only take BFSP on here. 98% of punters lose money betting and on course that would probably be higher given the nature of attendees, in which case its highly unlikely that they understand EW betting, more likely they make EW bets because as most mug punters seem to think, it offers some sort of safety net. A bad win bet is a double bad win bet when made EW. Factmachine I dont work for any race course, I am full time pro punter but I also believe that racing has an opportunity to rid itself of these parasites known as bookmakers and grab this cash cow for themselves.

oliasofsunhillow

for a full time pro punter you spend a lot of time posting on this forum.

Very good to see Chester not replenishing,hats off to all concerned.

Where do you expect me to be betting Foxy, with Bookmakers :)... please

I do not read the form book or at least not in the sense that you describe. Most of my selections are automated which leaves me time to focus on the most important of ingredients PRICE

OLIAS,HERE ARE THE FACTS,U CANT GET TWO BOB ON WITH THE SO CALLED big BOOKS,IF AS I SUSPECT YOU BET IN £2 STAKES THEN YOU ARE BETTER OFF ON HERE,IF YOU HAVE EVER ATTENDED A RACECOURSE(WHICH I VERY MUCH DOUBT) THE VALUE FOR THE PUNTER IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN WITH THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKER,PRE EXCHANGE THE TOTE WOULD HAVE PUT THE BOOKS OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU CAN HAVE ON WHAT U WANT AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF OUTLETS BUT IT DIDNT I WONDER WHY,NOW THE ONCOURSE BOOKS HAVE TO COMPETE WITH RIP OFF MERCHANTS LIKE CHESTERBET,RIPONBET,BANGORBET,THAT OFFER NO VALUE TO THE RACEGOER WHATSOEVER,THEN WE HAVE YOUR BELOVED EXCHANGES THAT OFFER NO LIQUIDITY FOR ANYONE WANTING A BET OVER £20(IF U DOUBT IT PICK ANY RACE TODAY ON BETFAIR AND HAVE A LOOK WHATS ON OFFER RIGHT NOW)BUT AS U HAVE NEVER SET FOOT IN THE BETTING RING U WOULD BE BLISSFULLY UNAWARE THAT PUNTERS HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD ON BRITISH RACECOURSES(OR AT LEAST THE ONES I ATTEND).YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF AS A PROFFESIONAL PUNTER,MORE LIKE A PROFFESIONAL TROLL

or are you one of those many new pro punters who just follow

foxy , do you mean like how bookmakers follow betfair prices ?

V.I.P. OHH IN THAT CASE I TAKE IT ALL BACK

2 bets with korrals in a shop for the hunters chases, 800-100 marky bob, you got an 8 ponys.

900-200 harbour court bertfrod, you got eff all.

Meanwhile back at the ranch i layed a geezer a 2750-500ew batu ferringhi on the rail at chelt when it was 6.4.

Thats the difference, most books on track will at least give a punter a semblance of a fair bet.

High street prices between 9am and race time are purely cosmetic, sadly.

Lots of personal insults from the bookie supporters here but very few constructive counter arguments bar some guys notion that EW is better on course or perhaps could be better if some stopped ripping punters off with poor EW terms. Its a good feeling in a debate when your opponents simply resort to slagging off

OLIAS,THERE ISNT ANYTHING WHAT U SAY TO COUNTER AGAINST,ITS JUST UTTER DRIVELL,EVEN SO I WISH U EVERY SUCCESS WITH YOUR 2 QUID PUNTS ON HERE THATS IF THERES ENOUGH LIQUIDITY FOR U TO GET ON AFTER ALL SHARPMINDS BETFAIR,CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMAN,BUT I THINK UVE DONE YOUR CASH WITH THE BETFAIR SHARES,SELL,SELL,SELL,GOOD LUCK

In the spirit of being constructive, Olias, unless you actually attend the tracks with a smartphone you wouldn't know what goes on.  The shows on screen (and in the shops) and the Sps bear no relation to the prices available to good money on course.  Remember that the comparison tables on the TV show the lowered average prices available from a select few layers on course, whereas the Betfair show is the highest price available amongst all layers, even to just a £2 stake available so its really not comparing like with like at all and should not be used.  The shows on course come from layers who will lay a bet to 'good money' generally accepted that they will lay it to lose £5,000 or more.  If you applied the same logic to betfair and only showed the odds available to lose £5,000 or more it would be a fairer comparison and would not show the exchange prices in a favourable light (hence why they don't do it).  On course, if the fav is 3.9 on here I will guarantee you will be able to get a decent bet on at 3/1 on course.  As the odds get longer so the better prices switch to the exchange.  If you want to back a horse to win only at 20/1 or above, generally you are better backing on the exchange, 10/1 up to 20/1 it is either or and under 10/1 you are better with the on course books (as a rule, obviously not always).

Wasnot what you are describing with regard to < 10/1 is really pinching prices when Betfair suggests its about to drop. In the grand scheme of betting these are isolated occurances that beenfit only those price sensitive enough to monitor both exchanges and the on course books. Your argument therefore seems to be that for the benefit of a few smart gamblers who can make it to the course we should shaft racing by not encouraging racing to sever itself from the purse strings of bookmakers