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is usurp even a word?
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NAP
not a prayer unless jim takes a nap in the middle of the day |
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jim is getting old you know, needs his naps
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when people realise that olympic glory was a fast diminishing length behind dawn approach, and hannon opts to send toronado into battle instead, the penny might drop!
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No chance.
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will toronado usurp dawn approach as 2000 guineas Fav? looking like it
prices havent moved when people realise that olympic glory was a fast diminishing length behind dawn approach, and hannon opts to send toronado into battle instead, the penny might drop! 6f 2yo race glad I could be of assistance  |
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every chance,
who would you want riding, richard hughes(top jock) or kevin manning(jock) |
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toronado...place lay
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Toronado now officially the best horse in our yard
IT was only a matter of time, but Toronado, impressive winner of the Craven Stakes at Newmarket last week and now 3-1 second-favourite for the 2000 Guineas, is officially the best horse in our stable. glad i could be |
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I would want KM ...... as long as he's riding Dawn Approach
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IT was only a matter of time,
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toronado place lay! oh ffs, you havent a clue lad. give it up
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http://www.richardhannonracing.co.uk/index.htm
click on button 7 under the photos, and tell me he's gonna get beat |
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no need to get a semi-on about it
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i hope he stuffs him  |
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not run any good times yet......so at the price the value must be a place lay
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Richard Hannon : last classic winner 1990
Jim Bolger : last classic winner 2008 JB states DA possibly the best he's trained |
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cant see dawn approach being out of the 3 so with only 2 places and plenty to prove...timewise...lay every day of the week
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JB also stated new approach was not running in the derby
JB said he was having a nap when teofilo went from evens out to 10/1 in the 2000 guineas ante post moral of the story...........dont believe everything you hear  |
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PMP.......you might wana have a look at the time Toronado posted in his last race, and that was just a stroll in the park. HTH
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slow time
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topspeed of 88.........the winner of the 2000g will have a speed rating of about 125.....dont think he 37 ibs in hand
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had*
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the 10f hcap beat the standard by the same as toronado over 10f......that suggests on times toronado did NOT run a fast time
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toronado could turn out to be a good horse......all i am saying the clock doesnt back up his lofty position in the betting.........its all about opinions
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well just maybe that race may be worth keeping an eye on
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maybe this does
toronado 1111 |
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no it suggests neither race was a quick time
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"He'll come back for the Guineas and what beats him will win," said Hannon.
dont say you werent told |
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toronado has developed into a monster in the past 6 mths and will hose up in the guineas...........FACT.
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Strong tail wind on Craven day hence relatively modest time.
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BUT DOCTER WITH STANDARD TIMES WIND CONDITIONS DONT MATTER....TORONADO HAS OF YET NOT RUN A TIME THAT PUTS HIM IN THE GROUP 1 CLASS.....MAYBE HE WILL PROVE IT IN THE GUINEAS......PLENTY OF HORSES HAVE RUN SLOW TIMES AND THEN GIVEN A FAST PACE PROVE THEMSELVES.....HE COULD BE ONE OF THOSE SUCH HORSES
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he has ran the fastest time in the craven for which wiki has records. HTH
he has ran faster than almost all guineas winners since 1878 over newmarket 1m HTH ok cardiffc, wana come back and say that about his times again |
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if you think his craven win was fast then the winner of the handicap should be fav for the dante derby and the arc
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if you think his craven win was fast then the winner of the handicap should be fav for the dante derby and the arc
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the horse wasnt even out of 2nd gear lad
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lol, who did you think you were posting as when you had the caps on?
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plenty of horses have gone into group 1s with relatively slow times ...some go to prove that given the right conditions i.e a fast run race improve their speed ratings dramatically......but just as many prove that the slow run races flattered them....as I have said toronado may prove the former rather than the latter
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