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will toronado usurp dawn approach as 2000 guineas Fav?
will toronado usurp dawn approach as 2000 guineas Fav?
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but he hasnt run slow, you're just covering your ass
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very difficult to compare times in uk racing as the pace is always diff........
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brain..........judging by standard times that day toronado comes out with a similar rating to the hcap winner..
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as you say maybe the pace of the craven was slow and that was a reason why his time wasn't that quick..........taipan is talking rubbish ...his time was well below the standard needed to win a classic
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we'll see. are you a layer?
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no ...unlikely to bet in it.........if I was I would place lay it
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anyone know what taipans backed for the guineas?
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i'm not backing that useless thing toronado anyway
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his time was well below the standard needed to win a classic
So this time was quicker than both Frankel and Sea the Stars won the Guineas in on similar ground  . Please do say what time he needed to have run the race in? |
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roo.........his time was similar to the hcap........are they group1
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OK but as you are using time ratings tell me what time he would have needed to run to be deemed classic standard?
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The time was extremely quick given that the ground was "good to soft" officially but the wind was extremely strong and helping I guess. Overall he was impressive and who comes out on top will be revealed next week. Toronado will be sweet but Dawn Approach would be even sweeter.
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roo.....maybe in a fast run guineas he will produce a fast rating.........its just possible he has not had the ideal chance to do it.....all I am saying is that so far he has not done it
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felt...........are people thick.........the time was not quick..........his speed rating come out as the joint highest with the hcap...they produced a almost identical rating.......so judging by gr1 standard it was a long way below the required standard
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Sorry official ground was good to firm but time still quick.
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So you cannot tell me what a fast time should have been then?
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Below standard at Newmarket is fast.
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but the hcap was below standard
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Yes that was fast too but Toronado was effortless. Do you want to place lay?
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if someone offered me a free bet.........place or place lay I would go place lay....my argument is about taipan saying he did a great time....he didn't.....ive layed many horses with slow times that prove me wrong when getting a fast run race so I wont be laying it...certainly wont be in my placepot though
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Say no more, all will be revealed next week.
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felt.........if the trainer is right and he is better than the greenham winner then he could win
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my argument is about taipan saying he did a great time
But the point is YOU are saying he didn't do a great time and yet you cannot say what a great time would have been  . Some time rating guru you are! |
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roeb.......can you read.......i said his topspeed rating was 88.........a rating reserved for a good hcapper.........frankel produced a 2000g rating of 130......average winner would be about 118-120
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none of his 2yo speed rating were up to much and his craven is just about the same
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where as dawn approach has speed rating you would expect from a potential guineas winner
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last priced matched
D approach 2.82 Toronado 3.75 less than a point  |
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Assume Steeler will not run as transferred from Mark Johnson to Al Zarooni over the Winter?
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last priced matched
D approach 2.62 Toronado 3.25  |
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D Approach 2.72 and the layers are queuing up
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Ahh the old "speed figure" argument.
 That Frankel was no good you know because he hadn't recorded a decent "speed figure".......McNae and Willoughby wheeled that one out for over a year until proved wrong. |
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ye, but they hardly said he was 88, "a rating resevered for a good handicapper"
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dawn approach is 8lbs wellin back it.
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its not a handicap, HTH
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Assume Steeler will not run as transferred from Mark Johnson to Al Zarooni over the Winter?
no idea but this one has interesting form lines which put a couple of outsiders in the mix. |
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You are doomed if you have backed Toronado,Orville has tipped it up
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8685561/alex-hammond-toronado-can-take-off |
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almost
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alez hammond some babe though, she cant tip whatever she likes
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within touching distance now
DA 2.94 T 3.05 |