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will toronado usurp dawn approach as 2000 guineas Fav?
will toronado usurp dawn approach as 2000 guineas Fav?
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he has overtaken him in the place market though
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odds of fav tomorrow should be
toronado 1.81 dawn approach 2.18 toronado will rightly go off the favorite and win. |
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i'm doing 85% place 15% win, that dawn approach is a dogged coont
profit is key or massive loses!  |
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dawn approach should carry 9st 9lbs, its carrying 9st 1lb.
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regarding the times of toronado on craven day
yes topspeed gave it a slow rating but discounting weight it was group one ability and so was the last race handicap BUT the handicap was just that;and very doubtful that it could be replicated in a higher class. what i am trying to point out is that the sprint race was similar , about 5 lbs better then take into account the wfa allowance for three year olds and its a 120 performance. YOU HAVE TO COMPARE CLASS WITH CLASS so ignore the handicap over 10f and ignore weight. the real secret to toronado's form lies in the fact that he beat some gr3 horses like they were trees and that makes him a 127 sort of horse. not to be underestimated and should be the fave today. expect him to lead all the way and has the best chance. |
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thats stupid..........how can you ignore the hcap..........if you are making a case for toronado on time you cant take its final time it wasnt gr1 class......the last hcap tells you that........but the fact he did the last 3 furlongs very quickly and the stable thinking he is as good as canford cliffs.....think as a time follower he is a very hard horse to assess........he could be anything............on time its just guess work
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it's ok lads, Deadbrain has this sorted for us, he's the best handicapper in the world and he has DA 8lbs clear, what insight, we really are undeserved
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the main flaw of speed ratings are when races are slowly run..........toronado is a classic example..........none of his races were in fast run races so how do you judge him.......i used to be a place layer and this is one i would have considered but the way the hannons and hughsies opinion of him would have stopped me
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taipan tarkin shyte again zzzzz
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Mrhunt my very own stalker saying absolutely nothing again
 hey, hunt, any 20/1 shots you think havent a hope, cos i feel like backing something |
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won by 8lbs.
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Tornado blew out
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unlucky.
Class will out |
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Winner is a bit special.
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shows how much clue Richard Hughes has about the horses he rides...should have asked my dead granny who has more idea....dear oh dear...
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but at least he has asn opinion, even thuogh no clue...
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funny theres no sign of taipan on this thread since the race
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sorry cardiff forgive for not being around on a saturday to get a chance to post
 well done to yourself and portmanpark who where clearly right about the times. |
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improved 2lbs,should carry 9st 10lbs in next group 1,it will carry 9st,10lbs well in.
 got 2.98 a steal. |