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THE BETTING BADGE AT CHELTENHAM
THE BETTING BADGE AT CHELTENHAM
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HERE HERE DEMO!
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Buy me one instead demo!
With the exes I'll be paying I'll need all the help I can get!  |
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democrat buy a drink , that would certainly sober him up
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As ever there are no hard feelings from this side Demo. I know we disagree on a lot of things (apart from Jockey Wilson!!!) but I hope the argument, whether you agree or not, comes across as constructive. Its OK all the bookmakers on here saying that our team should have done this or that. What you have to remember is that we were not the only parties to the negotiation and the other side had a lot to say and very firm views of their own.
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AS STATED BEFORE WASSY,THE NEGOTIATIONS NEEDED TO BE FAIR,TRANSPARENT AND ABOVE ALL OPEN,WHICH THEY PATENTLY WERE NOT!
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And our negotiators, to my knowledge had no experience of 'negotiating'! Not an ideal qualification for representing the masses. I know in the past you have said there was no case law for the subject matter and those involved 'did their best'. It is difficult to dispute those points but some foresight into the impact on the less high profile operators would have gone a long way. As for you adge and 'buying a drink' I would bow to someone who has Honours in that department or should that be 'imbibing a drink' ?
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AS FOR THE ARGUMENT OF WHY DIDNT YOU PUT YOURSELF FORWARD,U TRUST THAT THE PEOPLE DOING THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE DOING SO ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE AND NOT THE SELECT FEW!
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As these threads are on an open forum,therefore there for all to read,a point missed is that the value of pitches is of no concern to the courses,and is set by buyers and sellers.So,in no way are they connected to the badge fee.Also some pitches may have never been purchased post the opening up of pitch sales.
I mentioned over a year ago,probably a lot more than that,on here,that it cannot be correct that the top pitch pays the same badge fee as the lousiest pitch.Not good business practice. A multi-million pound company paying the same to stand as a small-time privateer trying to eek out a living in the back row,taking a tiny amount in stakes in comparison. One size fits all surely doesn't work for you guys. Re boards on rails,I don't miss the scrum trying to get in and out of the betting ring at Ascot, pre boards,it was murder at times,put you off having a bet. |
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i was talking to one of the team yesterday [ he bet next door ] and he told me fhat he BOUGHT FIFTY FOUR [ yes 54 ] pitches whilst in the gents toilet at cheltenham last week. it seems some can find value anywhere
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If things are so bad why do the poor downtrodden picks keep turning up? anyone would think the better picks had benefited with the new deal,we have suffered as much if not more from the deal but some of us are prepared to get on with it rather than bleating on here as if that will do any good,lol.
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Best put your hard hat on ribero1. Incoming abuse......
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Does that mean adge he knows something we dont ? It normally does !!!
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the seller sought him out , democrat . i wish it had been me though
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There cant be many people with 54 pitches to sell. Perhaps BK are selling all of their 54 Huntingdon pitches?
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Do they throw the step ladder in as well wassy ?
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Have previously posted on another thread, but would anybody have any thoughts on a turnover tax on TOTAL TURNOVER rather than the present price escalator based on the cost of admission.It seems to me that racecourses are able to sell out big days on big meetings at any price, but as we know those people are often not coming to have a bet.In ten years chelt tatts could well be 100 to get in, and if the previous ten years are anything to go by, our turnover is likely to decline rather than increase.I believe a turnover tax would solve a lot of the present issues, increase margins and encourage racecourses to promote on course betting.
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well one thing the negiators have seen to is that poorer picks are now rendered totally worthless ! luckily i do possess some decent pitches but also have some poor pitches too and under the new regime they are not worth a f****** dollar will the frb pull up a refund for me? as always the get richer and the poor get the f***** blame rant over
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mugbookie, I believe this was one of the areas discussed while negotiating and it was dismissed immediately by the racecourses. They would only have turnover tax ON TOP of the 6x.
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Hello Wasnot- I think that the racecourses believe that every racecourse bookmaker is a millionaire, and win fortunes every day.I think what has happened this week at cheltenham where was it 16 pitches were vacant in tatts one day, could be the beginning of a wake up call if they have any interest in maintaining a bookmaker presense on course.I will state it again, racecourse entry fees keep rising and overall our turnover is static at best, what will the badge/marketing fee be at some of these racecourses in ten years time ? A turnover tax would halt the bet to nothing/ have it all back merchants and improve margins in the ring, improved ring margins equal more levy via the sp system, surely the racecourses could be convinced that the bigger picture is more important than the declining income and lack of atmosphere that driving bookmakers under would bring ?
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I dont think they really care mugbookie, provided there are some bookies, but on their terms. Whether there were 50 in tatts or 70 is just a pin prick in their finances for the festival.
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If they dont care then everybody is in trouble, including them !
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Exactly Wasnot.
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Hello Ribero - We maybe just a pin prick to their finances, but racing is becoming less and less relevant to the offshore operator, the racing industry is fast becoming a sprat to catch a mackeral. Coral evs SS as an example, outright levy destruction to promote a website full of casino games. Racing is our and the racecourses core product, the big betting operators increasingly have bigger more profitable fish to fry.
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On the subject of racecourses thinking all bookmakers are millionaires is it any wonder when at uttoxeter on Saturday Thommo was interviewing rails bookmakers that was being shown on the big screens when one of them fanned out a wad of 15grand as though he was doing something clever
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I agree mug,basically the game is fecked for a variety of reasons and it isn't going to get any better imo.
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Saw that beatherder,stupid imo,although the bookmakers in question probably are millionaires!
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Like I say Rib, what will Chester tatts be in ten years ? 60 pounds, what will cash turnover be ? I dont want to guess, but will become gradually unworkable for everybody under the present system. Turnover tax the only way now to encourage vibrant rings again.
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Why would Chester worry about that? Remember they are Chesterbet now.
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Wasnot - no bookmakers no atmosphere - ask the french and yanks -If The racecourses believe that getting rid of on course books will result in massive Chesterbet turnover...oh dear !
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Mug,they aren't getting rid of bookmakers are they? there may be less in time but as wasnot points out that will not bother them one iota.
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GETTING RID OF ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS"THAT WONT BOTHER THEM ONE IOTA"WHAT AN AMAZING QUOTE,YEP THE PUNTERS WILL BE QUEUING TO GET ON THE TOTE OR CHESTERBET/BANGORBET
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which rails bookmaker was it at uttoxeter
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CORBETTS
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RIB - I used to bet at SOUTHWELL 15 YEARS AGO , three lines of books, often 24 there, terrific atmosphere, lumps around - now limited atomosphere 8 books mostly taking buttons, it becomes a vicious circle, you yourself must have noticed, the racecourses need to realise a vibrant betting ring is a major part of their offering, failure to do so will result in terminal decline...even for chester and the like.
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DISCOUNTED TICKETS ALREADY ON SALE FOR CHESTER MUG!
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No one is saying they want rid of all on course books ffs. What is being said is that the courses wont care if there are less of us. I think they actually understand that no bookies = less customers.
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mugbookie aw tracks have publicly already stated they can comfortably operate with nil punters.
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Truth,where is this amazing quote please?
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Unfortunately things have changed mug as you well know so it's no good looking back 15 years i'm afraid.
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