"I pity anyone buying shares in those companies in the hope of long term profits!"

Have you looked at the PLCs results lately?

WFT 11.53.
All these fobts winners are not actually falling over themselves posting on here,maybe you raised the bar too high and should have settled for break even or just losing a little.

All these fobts winners are not actually falling over themselves posting on here,maybe you raised the bar too high and should have settled for break even or just losing a little.

I'd settle for some people who actually say they enjoy paying them, win or lose.

Come on FOBT players ! That fictional 1% must contain some of you reading this, or are you all getting your fix ?

how much profit did camelot make last year banks ?

More lottery money goes in profits to Camelot and tax than is lost on FOBTs

more rubbish from banks , do you just make this stuff up ?

camelot made around £50 million last year

how are you coming to these figures ?

think everyone agrees, bookies are a business not a charity, I have no issue in regards to that.

what I can't abide is the double standards shown by them ,they want everything in their favour 100%, FOBTs and casino/games players welcomed with open arms, winning OTC/online sports punters treated like lepers is the reality.

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More lottery money goes in profits to Camelot and tax than is lost on FOBTs. The charity money is on top of this.

that is what you said . the tax figure has nothing to do with it .

simply post camelots profit compared to all the bookmakers profit on fobts  .

Camelot / retailers deserve the money for the excellent service and administration they put into the lottery.

Bookies deserve to be machine gunned down, simply plugging in four machines into a wall and employing a chimp behind the counter to do a 14 hour shift.

fair enough banks , it seems i have learned a few tricks from you  .

so you would agree that bookmakers make far more profit from fobts than camelot does from the lottery , or not ?

WFT try reading the thread and engaging your brain before you engage your keyboard. The 1% I am referring to is from the omnibus survey on participation in gambling. The less then 1% the ABB are quoting is from the prevalence survey on problem gambling. Both are publically available, published research which carries a little more credibility then a half-witted armchair expert such as yourself.

AD - Bookmakers like any business have to be able to choose who and on what terms they transact with. The fact they don't always accomodate people as you would like may be frustrating to you, but it is ridiculous to suggest that justifies you dictating to FOBT players what they spend their time and money on. Seems remarkably arrogant and selfish that just because you don't get what you want other unconnected individuals are penalised.

WFT try reading the thread and engaging your brain before you engage your keyboard. The 1% I am referring to is from the omnibus survey on participation in gambling. The less then 1% the ABB are quoting is from the prevalence survey on problem gambling. Both are publically available, published research which carries a little more credibility then a half-witted armchair expert such as yourself.

That reminds me of a quote from Denis Healey about Geoffrey Howe back in the 70's. "It's like being savaged by a dead sheep".

So, you're quoting from surveys conducted by organisations, supported by British bookmakers, and expect the gullible to believe their figures, but shun any statistics produced by anyone who isn't a bookmaker. That'll be fair.

Still not one happy FOBT player ? Can't you get one of your colleagues to come on here and support your incredulous beliefs, or are they not prepared to lie for you ?

Clive 14.55
"Bookmakers like any business have to be able to choose who and what terms they transact with"
Fair enough,they don,t transact if there is the possibility they might lose,what you are saying in essence the fobts are such a good bet for the bookmaker that they are no restrictions on them.(outside max £100 spin). So by your own words a person is basically a mug if they play a fobt.

WFT you seem to believe you know how a betting business should be run better then the PLCs. Try looking at their most recent results to see just how badly they are messing it up! Let me guess these are made up stats as well?

I couldn't possibly tell them how to run their business. They just wouldn't listen to anyone with a hint of integrity.

Lapsy - Firstly the restricting of customers is wildly exaggerated on here. There are plenty of mug punters both OTC and on the machines. Unfortunately people seem to want to take all the advantages technical advancements have provided them to turn a profit,but expect bookies to remain in the dark ages.

Wildly exaggerated ? Have the bookmakers published some stats on this ? I don't think so.

If people want to play machines good luck to them, if they want to bet on cartoon racing or greyhounds so be it. It's called freedom of choice.

So why do bookmakers try to influence "freedom of choice" by using promotions such as free spins ?

Incidentally WTF i think the Howe v Healey comparison is very apt!

It's good to see you're happy being a dead sheep, Clive.

So why do bookmakers try to influence "freedom of choice" by using promotions such as free spins ?

Is this a serious question or just a further demonstration of your business acumen.

Yes, ultimately it's down to the individual to become suckered in, so that can be described as freedom of choice in your definition of the term, but drug dealers often give their potential customers a free one to get them on the hook.

If it was all fair, the bookmakers wouldn't feel the need to promote their ghastly product. It's an abysmal practice akin to the drug dealer.

As far as business acumen, you might be quite surprised that I worked in business for over 30 years, which allowed me to "retire" at 48. I doubt whether your business acumen will reward you to the same level.

i was told this story today a punter walks in shop with £20k in plastic carrier bag he says to counter staff keep this behind the counter i will be having some big bets on 1st one £10k on odds on lost 2nd one £10k on odds on lost punter walked out with empty plastic bag question is has he got a gambling problem

clive82 should cut down on the amount of rainbow riches he has in his breakfast as he clearly has the ability to
plop out gold bricks .

We need to wake up to the behaviour of bookmakers in UK

http://www.stopthefobts.org/we-need-to-wake-up-to-the-behaviour-of-bookmakers-in-uk/


This may be in Australia, where they are experiencing the same problems with “Pokies” as we are  with FOBTs, but interesting how gambling companies suddenly flood political parties with donations when they are faced with a clamp down.

We will have the same problem in the UK.



The current “independent” research being commissioned by the Responsible Gambling Trust (whose boss just happens to be an ex-Coral chief and a loyal industry insider)  will stretch out until the end of 2014. This takes it right up to the run in of the 2015 General Election. By which time bookmakers’ cheque books, including Goulden’s who just happens to be a Labour donor, will be wide open ready to flood money into cash strapped political parties. In return for what though – no restrictions and more FOBT profits?

Philip Davies MP, who wants bookmakers to have more FOBTs, has already been caught out receiving hospitality and subscriptions worth over £10,000 from bookmakers and companies associated with them.

When will politicians get wise, or are they already looking at gambling tax revenue as a replacement for declining tobacco revenue?

Interesting that Dirk Vennix, head of the Association of British Bookmakers was formerly Communications Director for the Tobacco Industry.

We all need to wake up as to what is going on with the gambling industry in this country