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Association of British Bookmakers 'less then 1% have gambling problems'
Association of British Bookmakers 'less then 1% have gambling problems'
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Eggpresident their business model is to get rid of anyone with a modicum of knowledge and fawn over the mugs. I would argue that they have been pretty effective at doing that.
They don't want the sort of people who use BF. Their business now has a higher percentage of mug money that at any time in history. I imagine they are very pleased about that. |
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ALL THE GAMBLERS THAT I USED TO KNOW THAT WENT IN THE BOOKIES ,ALL HAD PROBLEMS WITH GAMBLING AND SO DID I ,I THOUGHT I WAS ONE OF THE NICEST PROBLEM GAMBLERS IN THE COUNTRY ,AT LEAST I NEVER KICKED ANYTHING WHEN MY BETS HAD LOST
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PROBLEM GAMBLERS ARE GOOD AT TELLING LIES AND COVERING MISDAMENOURS UP
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WELL THEY THINK THEIR GOOD UNTILL THEY GET FOUND OUT
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banned banks, i agree with you 100 per cent,(its what im saying) my point is i dont care and it will never change, im banned from the shops and online for showing a profit but those were the days when you could get a bet on, its never going back, it will get worse, i dont even try and place a bet in the likes of freds, 50 at 9s got refused and offered sp as the trader decided it was perilously close to the exchange price, it wasnt even for me, just an old chap with a mobility scooter outside (my good friend art c!)............ its OVER, AND AS LONG AS IM NOT SHOVED IN FRONT OF A FOBT AND GLUED TO A CHAIR TO DIE OF BOREDOM IVE ACCEPTED IT, i suggest everyone does the same.... please never ever hold the insane notion they will ever change , however there will be a change in your local shop, there will be more fobts someday soon ..........
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Banned-banks..
Tell us what you think of the rancid clive82 again.I recall that you once said that he was not involved in the industry. For what it is worth he has to be the most pathetic specimen ever to post on here.He has changed his picture again  He did not like the association with Oscar Wilde.I know that you agree with him that if FOBTS were banned it would not make the slightest bit of difference to how the "Bookmakers" would trade."If" they were banned perhaps one of you could inform us how the "Bookmakers" would sustain their profits. |
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clive 82
"Seemingly yes. The latest figures show 1% of the adult population play FOBTs at least once a month." That is an astounding statement.The vast majority of "Bookmakers" profits come via these machines. From such a tiny minority of people. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO PUTS MONEY IN THOSE MACHINES MUST BE DOING THEIR BOLL OCKS... You have eloquently described in such a simple fashion why those machines have to go. |
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if fobts were banned shops would close. end of, and i like to go in and chat and have a coffee, times change and the company you are posting your thoughts on now changed it............. and i for one would rather have this than some half arsed chain of halfwits like the tragic sign ............ long live raunbow riches for the bozos and gruss for the sports trader....... **** eastenders is on !
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Prof Jim Orford: "2% of lottery money comes from problem gamblers, 7% of takings on horses, 10% of takings from sports and 23% from FOBTs."
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Homefortea I think that clive82 is a grade A wind up merchant and to be honest I think he is pretty good at it.
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Not sure about that Bon-Viveur he never posts about anything else but.....
He has an identity problem though with his pictures. I am sure that I once saw him in a Ladbrokes T-shirt holding up a cigarette lighter at an Elton John concert.... Of course I was a Bouncer... |
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Prof Jim Orford: "2% of lottery money comes from problem gamblers, 7% of takings on horses, 10% of takings from sports and 23% from FOBTs."
Incredibly selective use of questionable statistics. Even if it is agreed that they are correct then why not mention the product that apparently takes the highest percentage of it's profit from problem gamblers? I suspect the reason is because the answer, according to the same set of stats quoted above, is dog racing at 27%!! I'm off to start a "Ban the BAGS" campaign. |
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Prof Jim Orford: "Statistical analysis in the US of the 2007 Prevalence Survey found FOBTs to be the most addictive form of gambling."
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The figure I have quoted is from one of his own published papers. Of course he will never quote the dog figure as that is not his target at the moment.
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I couldn't care less pal - anyway the Daily Mail are on the case now and once they get their teeth into something they won't let it go - they have direct influence on the Cabinet.
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I don't care either about FOBTs as I will never use them. I do however care about other sections of the gambling world and I can guarantee that if action is taken against the machines it will be the thin end of the wedge as the anti gambling groups will not stop until they have banned everything.
They have openly admitted that they feel that the iternet is a bigger problem but tactically it was easier to go for FOBTs first as they are visible. |
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Banned-banks really.
I have to go now but have you been sacked ? Has clive82 been chosen to carry the baton - and I am not talking about the 100m relay although clive 82 would love to accept it.... |
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They are hardly going to say at the outset that they want to ban/restrict all forms of gambling. Far better to pick a product that they know is easy to get support to tackle. Once they have momentum they will expand to other areas.
You have to remember that many of them are anti gambling per se so won't stop at FOBTs. |
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if fobts are banned ill arrive naked and put a monkey in reel king (found the name on the net)... these things bring in revenue for the government, nuff said
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eggpresident 11 Feb 13 21:53 Joined: 19 May 03 | Topic/replies: 63 | Blogger: eggpresident's blog
if fobts are banned ill arrive naked and put a monkey in reel king For the love of god, don't ban them   ... **** morality, no one deserves to see that! |
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The only thing that stops the inept big five from disappearing up there own exhaust pipes from
continual and complete lack of innovation and enterprise, complacent attitude to keep inefficient high street shops milking problem gamblers that even if they could win, wouldn't get in the door, is the fact that they continue to put money in tax persons and ministers pockets via Automated addiction machines in full view of the youth of the nation as they seem to of easily paid the right people to get the windows open on the dens of inequity, mean while the effect and damage builds up continually to the great pleasure of the government that already tax the rear end off alcohol and tobacco sales as this all nicely pigeon holes gambling into the "lets tax it good and proper bracket because its not legislated correctly and the voting public is getting steamed up about it". "Personally I hope the owners of the big five all come to a sticky end and for that matter a few bent ministers thrown in for good measure" |
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And when something is done and the dust finally settles, let it be known which betting companies are fair and decent
and have given betting a modern and raised profile. |
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I`ve been in betting shops and witnessed promotions for these machines. FREE goes and £25 betting voucher to person who accumulates the most pts profit. I find this immoral. Trying to hook punters who wouldn`t play them in the first instance.
Regards the 1% problem gamblers findings, what a load of old tosh. 33% minimum if my local is your average betting shop. |
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I have found the same in the past and generally I refuse to play them when offered freebie plays as
I always assumed they were turf accountants as I don't like casinos or this type of mindless and dangerous indulgence into corruptible greed. |
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One wonders how many ministers are offered "free play" when buissness needs that little bit of a boost?
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The problem here is FOBT's and the crux of the issue is their combination of high stakes and rapid play. In the 'good old days' of mainly horse racing, a little application by the betting shop punter meant he would be in with a chance of winning, or would at least lose minimal amounts as 'payment' for his hobby. Furthermore, with races lasting anything from 1 to 8+ minutes and with a 15-minute gap between races, the pace of activity was more relaxed. This gave the punter who was losing too much time to reflect and walk away. There were still gambling addicts of course, but far fewer.
FOBT's exist for one reason. To mechanically strip their players of the maximum amount of cash in the shortest possible time. No skill, no sport, no fun. Those who play do NOT do so for pleasure, virtually ALL of them are addicted to some degree. They are designed to come up with various 'near miss' scenarios for the credulous and to press the right neurological buttons for the weak. The quoted 97% payout is absolutely correct, but the rapid play ensures rapid stake degradation to the extent that the most common overall 'session' result is a 100% loss. I know my betting and I can absolutely guarantee you that these machines are destroying people's lives and blighting entire communities. |
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Well put typhoon ginger, await Banned Banks's measured reply.
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If they are programmed to deliver non random near misses they are illegal. If true a quick call to the relevant authorities would bring the whole thing tumbling down and result in some spectacular fines and sanctions against the individuals and firms concerned.
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I trust that was quick enough for you.
Out of interest CG can you show me anything I have posted on this topic that is not factually correct? Also I would be intrigued to know what you think my stance is regarding the machines and what issue you have with it? |
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If all that the high street LBOs can do to compete with online operators and other leisure pursuits of the masses
is create Amusements that allow you to spin your wages away in one minute then I pity anyone buying shares in those companies in the hope of long term profits! |
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Unless of course you have the goverment in your pocket and it has been done in the states so you have an even money chance of pulling it off here as many useless ministers will even sneeze in unision with idols across the pond!
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baldfred were running a **** game online for years - no action taken against them
they still are, the Tote Win market, the bald C NU T |
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baldfred were running a **** game online for years - no action taken against them
Not a UK based company. Surely you can see that with the current climate over here that such a proven allegation against FOBTs would be catastrophically damaging to the UK firms? |
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Lottery money goes to charitee in the UK, FOBT money goes to the likes of Sandy Lane
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Whats this about Bookies resetting the Key Bet game and taking the accumulated pot for themselves? Surely they wouldn't be so blatent?
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There have been many threads of this nature, thanks to Anaglogs Daughter (keep up the good work by the way), and we have a number of people who constantly repeat the same messages about how these machines are not dangerous. What we never hear is from a FOBT plater who actually enjoys playing them. Strange given their "popularity" according to the apologists ?
We have to ask why. Is it because the ones that enjoy themselves are too engrossed playing them ? Is it because they are frightened to admit they are winners in case their partners see this, and want in ? Is it because they have made so much money that they're now living the dream in a paradise where Betfair hasn't infiltrated (yet) ? Or is it really because they don't exist ? So come on, FOBT winners, join the discussion, and tell us of your wonderful experiences beating the system ! |
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Lottery money goes to charitee in the UK
More lottery money goes in profits to Camelot and tax than is lost on FOBTs. The charity money is on top of this. |