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Association of British Bookmakers 'less then 1% have gambling problems'
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Horse racing!
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it;s never ending the way you 2 ( clive and banks ) use information .
banks , over the counter bets make up half as much as the machines ? - is this just football bets , or just horse racing , or greyhound , or tennis , or lottery , etc . or is it all of these individual gambling activities put together against one form of gambling ? clive , Based on an independent survey carried out in Dec only 1% of people said they'd played FOBTs in the last 4 weeks if you are going to use statistics to make a point , then you must realise that statistics will be used to prove points against your discussion . it is a known fact that there are more betting shops in poorer areas than in richer areas . if you 2 were in favour of banning these machines , i am sure you would be able to use statistics and information to show how bad they are . |
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unbiased - do you realise what a fookin pretentious muppet you sound........
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The reason for more shops in "poorer areas" is the demand is higher,and it always has been so.What's new!
If there was a gross shortage of cash in these areas ,shops would be closing down,due to lack of business.So if the business is there,it shows that the shops are wanted. So far very little of value has been contributed by the protesters in making their case,all based on assumption,and guesswork. |
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I am not an apologist for bookmakers,and my username was tacked onto me for my ability to be able to see both sides of any given situation,due to my law training.
You are an apologist, constantly spouting the same rubbish. In your extensive law training did you not learn to put a space after a comma? Every time there is a thread from the attention seeker AD,who trawls the internet for anything to do with FOBTs,and feels the constant necessity to put these snippets onto the racing forum,there is much jumping onto this bandwagon on this forum. Are you not equally guilty of jumping on the same bandwagon even if it is in opposition? There are numerous references to the "speed of the spin" on roulette,as if it is a major issue that the wheel only has a few turns.It appears posters would like the wheel to spin at least 20 or more times so that players may play for a longer duration.Do these same posters worry that a dog race can be over in less than 30 secs,as opposed to 4 mins plus for most NH races.Is that too quick for their liking. As usual you missed the point. When the dog race finishes, is there another dog race starting immediately afterwards? I can remember feeding fruit machines years ago,watching the dials revolve,and the spin was over in a few seconds.What's new! Could you stake £100 per spin? No, that's new ! Posters professing to know all the whys and wherefores of machine players,when all they are doing is making assumptions,based on the fact that the FOBTs produce high profits. As opposed to you who knows all the facts? The facts that they make high profits, and apologists like you tell us they're so few players tells you all you need to know about the dangers of these machines/ Many players obviously enjoy playing on them,whether it be blackjack,fruits,roulette,or any other game. And they seem to be so vocal on these threads, aren't they ? No ! I have been challenged on several of these threads of AD,when responding,to produce figures.Well the answer to that is quite simple,as I am not the one bleating about how bad they are.It is therefore up to the complainers to put up figures concerning problem gamblers from all forms of gambling,so that we can all see whether ,or not,there is a problem,and make the relevant comparisons. The figures do exist, and are relentlessly being produced. You, and your ilk chose to ignore them. Until seeing such figures I have an open view. Best laugh I've had from you yet. I have lost count of how many times I had to lend friends money,because they had blown their wages on ---- I suspect with you attitude you have neither friends, nor money. |
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You are the judge are you yorkie?Besides which,there is no reason to swear,even though you disagree.
Disagree with the thread and people think you are a bookmaker's apologist,hence the piece at the beginning. |
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clive82 11 Feb 13 14:29
The fact is yorkie only a very small number of people play the machines. Based on an independent survey carried out in Dec only 1% of people said they'd played FOBTs in the last 4 weeks. Of that small number of people, you then have to accept that not all of them are swivel eyed addicts punting their kid's milk money on the next number being red. ____________ a very small number of people are contributing half of the bookmakers profits ? |
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WFT
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Hogwash Unbiased, a conservative estimate of the number of people affected by problem gambling is 1.25 million(source gamcare) surely fobts are a part of that number
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on most occasions I go into a bookies the FOBTs are the only things been bet on - no fooker is inerested in the racing or anything else outside these blasted machines.
If that is true then there must be a much bigger issue with over the counter problem gambling as the profits from it are the same as the profits from machines and you see more machine players. |
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A truely ignorant response WFT.Unbelievable how posters get on their high horse when disagreeing with a post.
So you have decided I have neither friends nor money,and are concerned about my spacing and punctuation. Oh well,shows ,yet again,how misguided you can be,going with an assumption again. |
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banks , fobt players dont get restricted or monitored , over the counter punters do . if over the counter punters didn't get monitored or restricted , would you think the profits would be lower ?
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playing fixed odds and revolving your cash at 97% per turnover equates to 1% after an hour so if that
wont cause gambling problems then sharks don't eat small fish! |
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Banned_Banks 11 Feb 13 15:00
on most occasions I go into a bookies the FOBTs are the only things been bet on - no fooker is inerested in the racing or anything else outside these blasted machines. If that is true then there must be a much bigger issue with over the counter problem gambling as the profits from it are the same as the profits from machines and you see more machine players. _______________ if clive is correct about the 1% that play fobts does that mean it must be an enormous problem with machine players accounting for half the profits ? |
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A truely ignorant response WFT.Unbelievable how posters get on their high horse when disagreeing with a post.
So you have decided I have neither friends nor money,and are concerned about my spacing and punctuation. Oh well,shows ,yet again,how misguided you can be,going with an assumption again. |
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I think what Dirk Vennix is suggesting is that bookmakers and the goverment dont have a problem with
gamblers lives being ruined so in that sense he is quite correct! |
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A truely ignorant response WFT.Unbelievable how posters get on their high horse when disagreeing with a post.
So you have decided I have neither friends nor money,and are concerned about my spacing and punctuation. Oh well,shows ,yet again,how misguided you can be,going with an assumption again. I meant to say.... I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I was beginning to think you didn't have any. PS It's spelt "truly" PPS You should put a space after a full-stop as well. |
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If bookmakers dont give gamblers a bad name then the new casinos on streets will make it a certainty long term
meanwhile the cash machine keeps rolling. |
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spot on WFT - morons like unbiased preaching make my ar*e hurt....... and anybody daft enough to repeatedly lend their own money to friends who have lost more money than they can afford on horse racing wants their nut looking at - jog on unbiased you clown.
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a very small number of people are contributing half of the bookmakers profits ?
Seemingly yes. The latest figures show 1% of the adult population play FOBTs at least once a month. Rcing - Why would any business target people without money? |
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playing fixed odds and revolving your cash at 97% per turnover equates to 1% after an hour so if that
wont cause gambling problems then sharks don't eat small fish! Pretty much what the commission does on here. |
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Bf fanantic 15.09,
Well said. |
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WFT,it will take a lot more than nonsense from an anonymous forum to hurt my feelings.
I am more concerned about your pedantry,with regard to commas,spaces etc.,as I am trying to work out how that is involved with the issue of FOBTs.Perhaps it isn't. My secretary doesn't work on Monday's,so I am having to type my responses myself. |
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WFT must have a picture of Gandalf on his wall. He posts a load of nonsense but he does it in a grammatically correct manner.
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My secretary doesn't work on Monday's,so I am having to type my responses myself.
Too much, my face hurts with laughing. Here's a clue. When you type in the reply box, and it underlines the word and goes red, you've made a mistake. You can then right click on it and it will yell you what you've done wrong. Failing that, ask the secretary, or one of your law colleagues, for a few English lessons. |
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WFT must have a picture of Gandalf on his wall. He posts a load of nonsense but he does it in a grammatically correct manner.
Perhaps you might like to point out the nonsense bits, instead of spouting your increasing, pathetic, attempts at responding. PS I'm Gandalf The White. The only thing grey about me is the sparse remnants of what I used to call hair. |
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Rcing - Why would any business target people without money ?
they wouldn't clive . good point . but explain why it is that there are more people gambling in betting shops in poorer areas compared to richer areas ? |
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clive82 11 Feb 13 15:14
a very small number of people are contributing half of the bookmakers profits ? Seemingly yes. The latest figures show 1% of the adult population play FOBTs at least once a month. ____________ do you have the % of bookmakers customers who play them and what % of the adult population go into bookies |
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rcing,unless you are a newcomer,you will know that to have always been the case.Betting shops have always been the domain of the working man,since created.
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i guess so unbiased .
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"do you have the % of bookmakers customers who play them
and what % of the adult population go into bookies" Why would that be relevant? The figures show 1% of the adult population play FOBTs at least once a month. To do so they have to go in LBOs and some of them no doubt also place bets as well. These are not my figures by the way they come from the 'Omnibus survey into participation in Gambling' which is publically available. They are independent of any commercially interested group such as bookies, casinos or even muppets on here who think banning FOBTs will help them get their arbs on. |
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...They are independent of any commercially interested group such as bookies, casinos or even muppets on here who think banning FOBTs will help them get their arbs on.
You were doing so well up to that point Clive82! |
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Never fails to get a bite though!
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That wasn't a bite.
I was just commenting that it does nothing to advance your argument. |
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It shows the inherently dishonest posturing that goes on, on here.
None of the usual posters on here have a genuine concern about problem gambling. They use that as a proxy for their true agenda which arises out of the twisted logic that if you ban FOBTs, bookies will be more inclined to accept unprofitable bets. Despite repeatedly asking nobody has been able to explain why they think removing half the bookies profits will make them more inclined to reduce OTC margins. At least the faith group prohibitionists do it out of principle, rather then personal greed. |
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clive , if fobts were banned , do you think OTC profits on horse racing would go up ?
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It shows the inherently dishonest posturing that goes on, on here.
Do you really believe the fact that you are dishonest that all other people must be too ? None of the usual posters on here have a genuine concern about problem gambling. They use that as a proxy for their true agenda which arises out of the twisted logic that if you ban FOBTs, bookies will be more inclined to accept unprofitable bets. This "twisted logic" only seems to belong to you. You keep mentioning it which might just give rise to the fact that you might believe it yourself. Personally, I don't believe it. There's no way dishonest bookmakers are ever going to back to operating a fair book. Despite repeatedly asking nobody has been able to explain why they think removing half the bookies profits will make them more inclined to reduce OTC margins. Again, it's only you that repeats this. At least the faith group prohibitionists do it out of principle, rather then personal greed. I'm surprised you can even spell "principle", and I bow to your obvious knowledge of personal greed. |
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It shows the inherently dishonest posturing that goes on, on here.
None of the usual posters on here have a genuine concern about problem gambling. Clive82, you are generalising though aren't you? Yeah sure, some have been transparent enough to voice their disdain for these machines, believing that the bookmakers decision to close them down was influenced by the lucrative profits that the Fobts generate. You cannot use that slur and apply it to everybody. As a reformed arber, I can speak freely. I knew that my time was short lived, I was always going to be stopped and the fact that 4 machines stood in the corner of an LBO was irrelevant. Not everybody will take the small margin that I was happy to and some are just out to get the best price available. Arbers have unfortunately tarnished the image of a punter that seeks value and the bookmakers are quick to flag such individuals. Now I have admitted to being an arber, that has no influence on my concerns for the new demographic of punters entering the LBO's. Considering the small sample of the LBO'S I have worked in, the decline concerning OTC horse racing bets was tangible, this within the triangle of the NH stables of Nicholls, Pipe and Hobbs. Yes, the industry has evolved and I have to say that I have dealt with problem gamblers from both products (fobt/otc), though it was noticeably lopsided towards the fobts, at the time of my departure from the industry. High majority of those excluding were below the age of 25, having never contacted a problem gambling helpline. I spoke to each individual, that is where my concern stems from... it may be misguided and certainly is not empirical but it is a narrative that I personally had to deal with. Your assertion that I, as a former arber, will be feigning concern to advance my own personal agenda is naive and frankly ignorant. I worked in the industry and left due to my belief that the industry was losing integrity, not just concerning this issue, I hasten to add! I know that there is no going back to the days I was placing large wagers over the counter, I have moved on and adapted. My concern towards problem gambling remains and has done so for many a year prior to my arbing. I too, have flirted with the issue personally (though I have never touched a casino product). Fortunately, I had the ability to recognise and address it at an early stage, I fear that many don't realise those implications. |
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Clive my good man, have a browse at ladbrokes horse prices on oddschecker, its finished dont you get it, exchanges for sports enthusiasts, little fruit machines, roulette and bingo for the big four, everyone i know walks past the high street bookies takes in a latte with sprinkles in neros and goes to betfair, no refusals, no demands for DNA, life can be so simple, you are a deluded chap if you think anyone wants to get a bet on with the likes of the tragic sign.............. richard glynn, the dream is over, the only bet is, how will he fail with ****, it seems like it would be hard, but ladbrokes can screw anything up.........you are indeed naive, people do care about problem gambling, you like so many others are paranoid everyones arbing .......... who are you anyway ? are you involved with one of the fobt reliant businesses, got to run, emmerdales on, but seriously GET REAL . and tell me who you are old chap xx
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