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And this, is why you don't type long responses on this forum. FFS
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Point was, the form of the horses when Frankel beat them was rubbish, so the link means jack ****. Black Caviar has beaten G1 winners (at least 1) in every win for her last 16 starts. But that is just a stat thick ****s like imstuckinamaze would use to prove a point.
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Qipco Sussex Stakes.
Frankel wins. Beats. Farhh: 3 wins including, a 4k maiden, an 8k C3, and a 13k C2 Gabrial: Also 3 wins. 7k maiden, 9k C22yo, 3yoC3 for 37k. Bullet Train: 2 wins. 3k maiden, 3yoG3. Since then has had 11 starts and beaten 15 horses home, and the only reason he was in the field was to make sure the other 2 horses, not a group win between them, didn't get an easy time of it. And you want to call BC out for racing nothing? Double standards much? |
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BJT...theres more maidens he beat if you look closely, most he beat as a 3 yr old still sit on one win
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ima_mazed66 Date Joined: 12 Oct 09
Add contact | Send message When: 17 Feb 13 07:38 It's totally irrelevant whether you travel or not to beat the best, just as long as you beat the best and that's what Frankel did and if you then want to use horses like Wise Dan, use others like Excelebration and Cityscape as a benchmark to link the form and both of those horses hated the firm ground in America excelebrations sire won only on hard tracks, 90% of all stakes winners by exceed and excel won on the same surface. so dont tell me excelebration was not suited by a good track ![]() |
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Apparantly, based on 1 run, Black Caviar was a failure. But Excelebration on 1 run racing away from home failing, was obviously a flop due to the ground.
Hmmmmm So you want us to do the form of Excelebration and Cityscape to boost Frankel, but we are not allowed to use the same form to show Frankel up? We can all use the form and it shows Excelebration was only good in Europe and not a patch on the Americans even though he got the gun run. On your logic, if Black Caviar is overrated because when she travelled she only just won, then using the same logic Excelebration not even running a place when doing the same shows much much more how overrated he is and was. BC at her worst, still wins. Excelebration can't run a place. |
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All Too Hard keeps family flag flying
Saturday, 9 February 2013: All Too Hard confirmed at Caulfield on Saturday there may only be one horse in Australia better than him - and that's his sister. Which means there are very few in the world who rate more highly. In his first start since finishing second in the Cox Plate last October, All Too Hard defied the pattern of racing and some handy opposition to win the Group One C F Orr Stakes (1400m) and take the first step on a path that could end up in Europe's best races. "There's probably not much he couldn't do," said co-trainer Wayne Hawkes. "He's as good as there is going around." By taking out the Orr, All Too Hard also completed a rare double by winning a race his half-sister Black Caviar won last year. But unlike the world champion mare who captured the Orr Stakes with brilliant speed, All Too Hard ($2.30 fav) came from near-last, rounding up the leaders 100m from the line and then holding off Mawingo ($16) to win by a half length. West Australian stayer Mr Moet ($13) took third a further head away. While All Too Hard established himself as one of the country's best last spring, his subsequent sale by beleaguered former owner Nathan Tinkler to Vinery Stud added considerable tension to his return to racing. "He's worth a lot of money," Hawkes said. "We knew how good he was, but when they're as valuable as he is, it's a relief when they prove it." Vinery manager Peter Orton, who stitched together the acquisition of All Too Hard, reflected the trainer's emotions. "It's a huge relief," Orton said. "If he's as good as we hoped he should be beating those horses, but the way the race panned out he had a lot against him." New Zealander King Mufhasa set a moderate pace in front on a day when leaders appeared to be favoured. But Dwayne Dunn put All Too Hard into the race 400m out in what proved to be the winning move. "The only thing I told him was to ride him like he was the best horse in the race," Hawkes said. "And he did." All Too Hard is likely to have his next start in the Group One Australian Guineas at Flemington on March 2 with the Randwick Guineas or Doncaster Mile in Sydney his other autumn targets. After that the colt embarks on an international campaign that will take in Royal Ascot and other European races before he goes to stud at Vinery next spring. |
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"He's worth a lot of money" What class you guys have.
![]() ![]() Two bit trainers with horses that exude more panache out of their backsides.nap ![]() |
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now i know your exuding out your backside
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a FAT all too hard beat a high class field in todays Grp 1 All Age Stakes and will now head to england for one race before retirement to stud
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"In the UK she was swishing her tail and getting cranky because she had come to the end of her campaign after 12 months of racing. But now she's back."
Sounds like she was going cold turkey ![]() Black Caviar was nowhere near her best at Royal Ascot in England in June, having lost considerable condition after a long campaign. She returned home, put on weight, worked on the water-walker and is now nearing peak condition after six weeks of trackwork, a jumpout and an exhibition gallop. And having a backside full of needles ![]() |
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I woudl think now the BHA has set a precident all horses from drug cheating Countries should be banned form racing until serving a period of 6 months in the UK nto racing to make sure they are on a level playing field.
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>I woudl think now the BHA has set a precident all horses from drug cheating Countries should be banned form racing until serving a period of 6 months in the UK nto racing to make sure they are on a level playing field.
1. They are not cheats if the rules of racing allow it in that country. 2. I would have thought, given current revelations, serving 6 months quarantine period in the UK doesn't guarantee a level playing field. |