No one knew Black Caviar's battle to reach the start at the royal meeting better than Haydon.
Behind the secure gates of Abington Place, he tended to Nelly morning and afternoon with everything from the most sophisticated laser equipment through to a custom-made protective boot and buckets of ice-cold water.
He treated an aching suspensory ligament, a previously torn quadriceps muscle that was revealed as not fully healed, and a near front foot from which she repeatedly ripped the shoe.
Peter Moody had diagnosed her as "dead-set rooted". Haydon, regarded as the mechanic in the operation, was determined to present her as capable of racing.


"Any other horse you'd probably scratch," Haydon said.
"But she's different. I knew if we got her there, even if she's only 50 per cent, she'll do the rest."
When it was done, it was Haydon's honour to drape the victory rug over Black Caviar's visibly heaving body.
"I've never seen her that buggered after a run."
A racing lifer, he thought the image that would stay most vivid in his mind was when turf royalty met the reigning monarch.
"Just seeing the Queen touch her, and just how gentle Nelly was. Any other person touches Nelly on the nose and she'd head-butt them. It must've been the white glove," he laughs.


read the full story of horror ( bee attck )

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/i-thought-she-wasnt-going-to-make-it-i-thought-i-was-going-to-be-coming-home-without-her/story-e6frf7kx-1226579189950

Oh and you've totally missed the point (no surprise there then) about the difference between Society Rock being left 12L at the start when sat down in the stalls as the gates opened and having to be ridden all the way just to try to make a race of it, compared to Ortensia being run off her feet in the early stages and struggling to beat handicappers that were coming back to her at the finish and it's not "according to me" that Society Rock finished only 2L behind Black Caviar despite giving her 6L start, it's there in the record books or online records as a fact.....Oh and remind me again what happened to Ortensia when she finished 12th of 13 and 9½L behind Society Rock? Oh yeah, she had a convenient injury too eh?

That says more about the quality of your sprinters then it does about her, the race was a group 2 event afterall

regarding Ortensia's defeat, you do realize she'd been travelling since March, given the race you're talking about was in September, it's not too far of a conclusion to say that she was coming to end of an extended international campaign, know of any English horses who ventured the world for that period of time? especially in a time of the year which would be considered the "off season"

hello :-) • February 16, 2013 1:02 AM GMT
Nice to see mugsy and secondcoming locked up on the same thread , best to keep the riff raff together

nice to see the vermin still crawling around, this place wouldn't be the same without the like of yourself, we all need a resident merkin or two to keep the mug stocks in the high order, keep selling your garbage from your rubbish tip of a home to keep yourself financed, pal

you're not even in the same league as me, I could verbally destroy you and there isn't a single thing you could say or do about it

A day after she struggled to win the Golden Jubilee, we thought it was all over.

She was rooted, out on her feet.

Her head was down in her box, her suspensory (ligament) had flared up and she'd damaged the muscles in her
hindquarters.

I really thought we'd retire her and I felt comfortable with that.

The queen now world's best racehorse
WITH English superhorse Frankel enjoying his new career as a stallion, Black Caviar has assumed the title of the world's best racehorse.

Looking back at Royal Ascot, I reckon things started to spiral downwards a bit after she won last year's Lightning Stakes.

I reckon I made two mistakes.

The first is I should have run once in Adelaide instead of twice and the second is I should have run in the King's Stand at Royal Ascot, over 1000 metres, instead of the 1200m of the Jubilee.

That said, had she been the real Black Caviar she'd have won the Jubilee by six lengths.

Over there, at Newmarket, I reckon it unravelled on the Tuesday before the race.

She was out to have a light workout but she ended up running blinding time.

Luke (Nolen) blamed himself but I blamed the mare.

The work was all upside down.

We all looked at her on race morning and knew she wasn't right but we just hoped she'd be too good.

Looking back, she did look very plain in the mounting yard but I kept my feelings to myself, didn't even let on the owners.

I didn't want to be making excuses, especially before the race was even run.

I watched on ground level and I knew she was off 300 metres after the start.

You could just tell. 

Watch the best of Black Caviar

It was a bit of a sick feeling, I have to say, but she got the job done.

As I said, we thought she'd be retired after that.

But her physical improvement in just six weeks after the race was quite remarkable.

I saw her at Werribee quarantine six weeks after Royal Ascot and I thought hold the phone, this might be back on.

I'm not going to say she will be better than before but I can confidently say she's in the best physical shape for
maybe three years.

Her feet have been given time to grow instead of being peppered with nail holes.

Beyond today, nothing is ruled out and nothing is ruled in.

No part of me thinks I'd like to go back to Royal Ascot and show them what she can really do, because I think Australian racegoers are equally entitled to see her again, more so.

But as for Royal Ascot, it's a case of never say never.

If the owners were mad keen, and maybe it tied in with mating with, say a Frankel, then who knows, it might not be ruled out.

But that's not my focus.

To me, she is something racing, even sport, needs right now.

There have been so many bad stories lately that I feel she represents the good story.

Her timing seems good in that sense.

In fact her timing has always been pretty good.

Whenever there's been a bad story about her, she's managed to come along and put a better spin on things.

She's not heavily raced, or heavily taxed.

She's a six-year-old mare who's had 22 starts.

Look in any formguide and you'll see six-year-old mares who have had 60 starts.

In probably 15 of her wins she's won head on chest, won soft.

Call it a horseman's instincts, but I looked at her the other day and I saw a smile on her face and a glint in her eye that I hadn't seen for a long time.

So it's on again.

In a way I guess we are taking a big risk but at the end of the day she's a racehorse and she's here to race.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/peter-moody-says-black-caviar-is-back-to-her-best-after-ascot-scare/story-fn67siys-1226578955180

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When you're the best in the world Sloppy Seconds they come to you, a bit like when you are champion of the world in boxing, you call the shots and the challengers have to take you on......So you Aussies just think yourselves lucky that Frankel didn't annihilate Black Caviar at 6f in the Jubilee because if he can run a faster furlong on Good to Soft in a mile race after already having run 5f than she did in a 6f race on Good when she had only run 4f then he would have picked her up and carried her in the race itself if they met and ruined her unbeaten record.

showing your lack of knowelege and your childish true colours

I would also like to mention Ortensia is no superstar here either

this isn't it about your retired horse, this is about the current world champion, Black Caviar, please continue

so black caviar wins 16 times at 6f and the one time at 7f before royal ascot, whilst moonlight cloud won 3 times at 6-6 1/2f and 3 times at 7f

tell me sunshine, how does that make moonlight cloud a miler?
give credit where due, even midnight cloud was unlucky beaten against excelebration, now that wouldnt have made frankels form very good would it if it happen.

bloody cherry pickers

SecondComing
this isn't it about your retired horse, this is about the current world champion, Black Caviar, please continue

Best tell that to megsy then as his is the first post in the thread to mention Frankel......and while you are at it, tell yourself as you mention him too in your own post.

Is there a point to any of your posts above megsy, especially the first one half quoting me from June?

As far as Moonlight Cloud goes, we are back to your difficulties in retaining information as I've already answered this anyway but she ran in our 1000gns which is a mile and that was only her 5th race or so and 2nd start as a 3YO. She's tried sprint distances like 6f and has failed to win at them. She's also tried 7f and won a few here and there and been beaten in a few more but her last 3 runs have been Gr1 or Grade 1 mile races and so seemingly her connections have finally settled on her being a miler and I even gave you the clue seeing as she ran in the Breeders' Cup Mile and so if she's running in 3 Group/Grade1 mile races back to back in her most recent runs then I think it's fairly reasonable to consider her a miler.

If she had managed to be Excelebration then unless she was beating him anything between 4-11L then I think Frankel's legacy and reputation are safe for the time being. I've also told you enough times that you don't have to be winning races and just running in them to be considered that that is your trip. Farhh has only run 3 times at 10f and hasn't won any of them but they were his best 3 runs of his career, so despite having won a handicap at a mile he was well and truly put in his place at a mile by Frankel, yet Farhh's best 3 runs have been an unlucky 3rd behind SYT in the PoW at RA, 2nd in the Eclipse to Nathaniel and 2nd in the Juddmonte to Frankel all at 10f and so I would consider him a 10f horse.

Please do your best to retain the information I am telling you as it will make my posts a lot shorter and save me loads of typing if I didn't have to continually repeat over and over again what I've already told you numerous times before.

Oh and even now Frankel would still beat Black Caviar if they raced tomorrow.

As far as Moonlight Cloud goes, we are back to your difficulties in retaining information as I've already answered this anyway but she ran in our 1000gns which is a mile and that was only her 5th race or so and 2nd start as a 3YO. She's tried sprint distances like 6f and has failed to win at them. She's also tried 7f and won a few here and there and been beaten in a few more but her last 3 runs have been Gr1 or Grade 1 mile races and so seemingly her connections have finally settled on her being a miler and I even gave you the clue seeing as she ran in the Breeders' Cup Mile and so if she's running in 3 Group/Grade1 mile races back to back in her most recent runs then I think it's fairly reasonable to consider her a miler.
Not surprised.  Worth any horse in Europe trying the mile.  It has been proven to be very easy to win as there is very little competition.  Easiest way to lift your rating, and horse value.  Just look at Excelebration.  Forced into retirement to claim stud fees, because the reality is if he kept running, he would prove it all to be a farce and would lose all value.

thinking of going to stud myself

takes some beating imo

£125,000 x 3 times per day megsy?

BC wouldnt get near him,track or shed and a foal of hers would be lucky to earn a days pay for Frankel at auction.

BC is barren megsy,that is why she is back racing.

SC is a gelding btw.

why change the habit of a lifetime

Fair play SC.............Noble Locks.

Well first of all BJT, it's not me saying the going was Good to Soft, that was the official going given but I'm not particularly fussed either way however it was, my main bone of contention was the laughable claims that Black Caviar ran on what some Aussies on here would have you believe was a swamp.

On day one of Royal Ascot 2012, these are the readings and descriptions:

Straight Course: Good, Round Course: Good to Soft (Good in places)
Going Stick Standside 8.1, Centre 8.3, Farside 8.1, Round 7.4

So since the QA is run on the straight course, Frankel ran up the middle of the track but for edging over to the far rail from 2f out so crosses the line on the same bit of ground that those that ran on the round course would have been crossing the line on. So between the jockey being so far ahead that he allowed him to drift and running the final furlong on the softer ground probably explains his slow final furlong time.

The readings on day 5 for the Jubilee and Black Caviar were:

Straight: Good, Round: Good to Soft (Good in places)
Going Stick Standside: 8.3, Centre: 8.7, Farside: 8.6, Round: 7.3

Black Caviar came up the stands side and crossed the line a few horses widths off the standside rail.

I'm more than happy to say the ground wasn't a factor for either horse and am only responding to the ridiculous claims that it wasn't for Frankel but was for Black Caviar, which you even seem to be supporting yourself too by saying it had been raced on 4 days by the time she raced on it and asking which horse got the worst of it. Well apart from the fact that where she raced doesn't cover every race anyway, if the ground was soft or heavy all week and had been churned up by the time she raced on it then you might have a point but seeing as you are saying it was changed to Good and was therefore Good by the time she raced on it, then you obviously don't have a point. Add to that how many previously races were run on her strip of ground or even how many on her racing day were too?

Take your pick from the horses Frankel beat but if he scares off the opposition after they have already seen him beat the best behind him then that's hardly his fault now is it? What was the quality of opposition in Black Caviar's race the other day, beat 7 world beaters did she?

http://frankel.juddmonte.com/race-career/horses-beaten.aspx

He regularly beat Excelebration, the highest rated miler after him which would have a phenomenal race record himself but for Frankel.

Rather than ask did Frankel take on Wise Dan, the question should be did Wise Dan take on Frankel as if Frankel is the best then the challengers have to come to him if they want to topple him, otherwise he will just carry on being the best in the world anyway? How many times has Wise Dan run outside of N America by the way? Does that make him a Cotton Wool Kid too? Funny how you double standards Aussies like to have it all ways isn't it? Here you are trying to bump up Wise Dan whilst doing down Frankel. My argument that you can stay at home if you are the best isn't rubbish if you are the best, that's why horses have been coming to Royal Ascot and our other big meetings for years from all over the world and the fact they came from far and wide to take on Frankel and were beaten goes to prove this.

Black Caviar beating other Aussies and maybe an odd NZ horse at home counts for nothing to gauge things on a global scale unless horses from all over the world were going to Australia to take on Black Caviar, so if the only race I have to measure her on globally was the one where she fell over the line then what else can I base her on? All you can say pre-Ascot is that winning as many races and being unbeaten must mean she's very good but the acid test was Ascot and she just about won but far from convincingly and in a soft race too against non-sprinters dropping back, promoted handicappers and a genuine Gr1 rival that had to give her 6L start and closed it to 2L at the line when the starter let them go with the horse sat down in the stalls and the jockey shouting no. That same horse Society Rock, with little to no form on soft ground still ran well at Ascot, proving the ground was fine for him and Black Caviar too and then later won a Gr1 himself beating Ortensia by 9½L....oh and all things considered Frankel ran a great race to beat Zoffany and was still a comfortable winning margin anyway.

It's totally irrelevant whether you travel or not to beat the best, just as long as you beat the best and that's what Frankel did and if you then want to use horses like Wise Dan, use others like Excelebration and Cityscape as a benchmark to link the form and both of those horses hated the firm ground in America but Wise Dan was nowhere near as convincing when beating either of those horses as Frankel has been when beating Excelebration and that one convincingly beat Cityscape.....oh and since when has Germany or Japan been 100km from the UK? As for the French and Irish horses that might be under 100km (and even that's debatable) a few of them seem to do OK when they go over to Australia so there must be fairly decent horses trained there but once again, yo can hardly blame Frankel for geographical reasons.

What hacks are saying is nothing to do with me, I only answer for myself.

megsy
poor excelebration went to the USA and got beat convincingly, yes he went overseas to prove himself and came home an also ran.
the cotton wool kid needs to come out of retirement to travel overseas to prove himself, otherwise he is just a local champion simple and if you look at english stock of milers, theres not much around.

Just as he was convincingly beaten here by Frankel numerous times and a lot farther too but nice to see the Aussie double standards are still in full flow. The other problem with your "English stock milers" line assuming you mean where they are trained is that Excelebration, Grand Prix Boss, Helmet, Immortal Verse, Indomito, Pathfork, Rajsaman, Roderic O'Connor and Zoffany aren't/weren't English trained and you have horses there that are or were Australian, French, German, Irish and Japanese trained but I've told you this many times before but damn that information retention problems eh?

You get from the double standard Aussies "Oh but the ground didn't suit Black Caviar/Ortensia, she was racing after a long spell, had to travel overseas blah blah blah..." but that conveniently gets overlooked when it's an Irish/UK based horse like Excelebration where even ignoring the fact he was given a bad ride in America by a teenage and inexperienced jockey riding their tracks and gave the horse too much to do, has also travelled halfway across the word, was also running on a track and ground not to his liking and did so in November on his 6th start of the season having been on the go since April and only having had one run in his own country, so every other race involved travelling overseas, but before any of you Skippys jump in, no most of the times it wasn't that far but it still meant going through the motions of all that travelling horses involves......Oh and remind me again how Moonlight Cloud got on in that race, so presumably Excelebration would beat Black Caviar at 6f or 7f then eh? Just look at which horse is his sire after all!

Plus what's the difference here between a UK horse having its last run in November of one season/year and then its first run of the next season/year in March with a 3-4 month break and maybe even shorter break if having an overseas run or home AW run at either end of that break, compared to an Aussie horse having its previous run 3-4 months apart which might encompass it's final run within an Aussie season/year or a ticking over run before then having its next run that 3-4 months later in the UK? It's still a 3-4 month break between races anyway isn't it, which is what many horses get between final runs of one season and debut runs in the next. So that excuse about Aussie horses running here outside of their own season doesn't really cut it.

Oh and to further add the double standards from Down Under, some of us were saying pre-Ascot that despite her achievements at home, Black Caviar still has to prove she can come here and win and take in all of the travelling that involves, only to be met with the charge we were taking sh1t and she has nothing to prove and look at how other Aussies horses came over an won (conveniently ignoring the many more times they were well and truly spanked) by now it's all over, the very same people are trotting out the line that she has had to overcome such adversity regarding travelling, how Frankel hasn't done it and so on once she barely fell over the line with her head in front by such a narrow margin.

I think some of you want to make your minds up exactly what it is you are arguing from one day to the next, unless of course you have had to revise your views retrospectively based on what you know now but didn't know then.

and while your searching wikipedia mr wikipedia, all the trainers of these horses are on record stating black caviar would pick up their horses and tow them over the line as she went past them.

so dont try and tell us your the expert

lmao?
So Frankel has put Bullet Train in as a horse he beat because he won a group race?

Let us have a look at Bullet Train after he won that race.
LAST 38L
6/8 9.75L
5/7 4.25L
LAST 7.25L
LAST 23 L

So in 5 races, he was beaten a combined 80+ lengths, and beat 4 horses home.  Huge achievement.

Cirrus De Aigles.  Beaten by