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MP wants 'benefit card what can only be spent on food and clothes'
MP wants 'benefit card what can only be spent on food and clothes'
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"Historically and for that matter logically the conservative do very poorly in times of recession"
What history is this? Are you saying the Tories got voted out in 1979 and Labour were trusted by the electorate to navigate the recession? Or in 2010? |
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or conversely:
it's charity- if genuinely poor recipients should be grateful- end of innit |
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do we not use electric also? what happens if we go to buy a box of cornflakes and get mugged and need to get to the hospital surly were not expected to phone an ambulance for minor injuries?
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So the millions who have been made unemployed by the policies of successive governments making themselves and their friends richer should be grateful for a crust of bread and a pair of clogs.
The rich man in his castle. The poor man at his gate,waiting for leftovers. |
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Fat, thick, tory tw@t and his publicity seeking "ideas", (using the term lightly), appeal to section of Betfair forumites.
It's not surprising. It is depressing. |
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yes and all m.ps should be given vouchers and a similar card to stop them spun***g their wages on rent bhuoys and prossies .
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This fiddling mp has received a pathetic sentence. She falsely claimed £53,000, she faked invoices and made up a false address for a builder and claimed for work she didn't have done on her home as well as other things. How naive is the court, the cunning things she did is not the actions of a mentally ill person but the actions of a fraudster. She knew the only way to escape prison is to fake mental illness. This case reminds me of the guinness shares fraud trial in the 1980's when guinness chief executive ernest saunders was sentenced to 5 years in an open prison. He was released just 10 months later on medical grounds as it was claimed he had alzheimers disease which is incurable. surprise, surprise he made a full recovery after being released.
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It seems Java missed the demise of the economy under tory control of interest rates that rocketed that also saw many families lose homes, how convenient for him and the pack!
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Its a betting certainty that when the conservatives were juicing up interest rates in the past that caused
so much hardship for many, that they didnt feel it having several homes sometimes paid for by the masses. |
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life must be great in la la cukoo land!
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if i had not been told this by a reliable source there is no way i could possibly believe it.
two guys i know turn up at an exclusive block of flats overlooking regents park zoo and are looking for a certain person and when knocking on the door are confronted by someone of a different nationality so after demanding to see some proof that he is a new owner/occupier the chap brings out a tenancy agreement and benefit forms the flat has a weekly rent of 1600.00 and it is being paid by camden council how the fook do you get the council to put you in a place like that and foot the bill |
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There really are some loons on here. Not meant for you Supersize by the way!
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how the fook do you get the council to put you in a place like that and foot the bill Those on the Council are the same nationality as the renter.Simples. |
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Dare I ask how many can hold their hands up and say truthfully they have either donated to a charity, bought a Big Issue, given a couple of quid to someone who appears to be destitute or would give part of their wage on a regular basis to help the needy? Remember,, answer truthfully.
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if i see a big issue seller i give him a pound or 2 and tell him to keep the paper ,also i save all my change exept for pound or 2 pound coins and at the end of the year put it in a deserving charity box !
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read an article this morning in those free metro papers you get handed at stations ,it claimed a ukip m.p. or constituent said that any pregnant woman who are diagnosed and the child they are carrying is disabled then the child should be aborted .havent got the paper, but anyone have any news on this anaglogs can you dig it out .
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we dont have vagrants beggars tramps or homeless here, not allowed, unofficial of course, the police arrest them and if they are manx, bail hostal or prison, non manx, put on a ferry back to where they came from, no social security either, unless youve paid stamps for the previous 5 years, local or not.
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Good on you Foyle. I am the same with the Big Issue vendors. The reason I asked this question was because there are many on here who call people rotten because they may have a few quid. What I have I work hard for. I have a few direct debits paying a monthly amount to Save the Children, WSPA, and Barnardos. I have NO problem at all with anyone receiving the help they need when they hit on hard times. I, like plenty on here I presume had free school dinners. It helped my mum who was widowed young. She worked her socks off to bring my brothers and myself up. The welfare state was a damn sight LESS benevolent in those days believe me! Somewhere along the line though there HAS to be change. There ARE far too many families who treat their idleness as a job! They exist, therefore they should be kept. It IS time to make absolutely certain that any help given, goes on necessary items such as food and clothes. I am sure the question re heating and other energy bills will also be taken into account. Too many use it for "their little luxuries". Generally anything OTHER than food and clothes! One woman on benefits was asked why her and her "partner "needed two cars. She replied with a four letter outburst! This type needs to be weeded out. Anyone who can argue her case needs to leave the country!
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Any room for me Manxy????
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I would gladly throttle that person Foyle. No room even in this predominantly sick society for such a monster.
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i agree with you on those points roy about the lazy and feckless types who must be weeded out ,what also gets up my nose is politicians creaming off expenses and god knows what else and having a do as i say ,not as i do attitude .after all who pays the politicians ...the taxpayers !
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Its great to have Ethnic people on the thread...........If they arrived in the 60s (& we could have the craic with them.................without being raceist) & have worked hard to establish themselves........they must be "gutted" at the new wave.....................
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Exactly Foyle!! The amount of time we all spend on here typing our thoughts and feelings regarding such situations would be better spent bombarding our MPs on this subject. They DO need to get real, and they should certainly be far more answerable than they are at present. Public servants and mouthpieces for the masses.
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Whether you are an upstanding "I have worked for everything I,ve got or I,ve worked hard all my days"remember there are hundreds of thousands who for whatever reason can,t/didn,t/should,ve what then are we to do let them starve see them in penury let them suffer,you have short memories most of these are the offspring of those brave souls who gave their lives in war so that they should have better lives,by all means all the able bodied should contribute/work,at what exactly?? have we lost all our compassion all our humility if we have then we are well and truly on the downward slope.Jesus Christ recognised the problem and by throwing the "MONEY CHANGERS" out of the temple,he was killed?? successive rulers elected or otherwise have tried the same with the same outcome,until the people or those truly elected take control of the flow of money we will be arguing about this until it all goes up in flames.
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you can call people on benefits all you like but the root of the troubles of the majority of benefit claiments lies in the number of multi national firms paying well below the living wage,
if the answer to this is to make benefits so unattractive,where with upto 5 million people looking for work are we going |
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This is our last chance & a breath of fresh air seeing posters aware.............
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a bloke on skys jrff randalls xmas dinner is advocating some sort of national service for skills for young people and if you dont go you dont get benefits,more unpaid work
i work in a fabrication shop within the new ssi plant with 30 highly skilled boilermakers some with 45 years experience and theres not one apprentice employed in that shop,the few apprentices working on the site are from training centres outside the works who are working unpaid just to get some experience very laudable but while they work for nothing ssi will sit back and not start apprentices of their own, this coalition is creating an army of unpaid workers at all levels |
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I think also we forget the genetics in the argument,there is a helluva lot of these poor people born into poverty not only material poverty but mental/spiritual poverty they in the most are cast down,you do not look for a future Derby winner from the gene pool of parents who contested Brighton/Bath class 6 races,why do you think the so called upper class marry into their own class this way it perpetuates the blood line,we have to have a better way of addressing the problem,I honestly think that we have to raise people out of their abject material/moral/mental state of poverty,we have to show them respect we have to give them hope and aspirations,continually hounding and denigrating them is counter productive,there has to be an alternative inmo.
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BARNEY.......your of my ilk.............the prob the parents
The prob....people have been paid to breed  |
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Sound idea in principle - however, as has been mentioned previously, where there is a will there is a way ie. to friends in work - "I'll buy your groceries - you buy my booze and ****" !
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Its not so much genetics imo...although thats a point Barney
Its about the environment a child is brought up in...successful people know what it took, to get to the top their children are brought up to be the same...thats why they send them to private schools, then on to university.. and encourage them to get into the top professions..its expected its akin to sending a horse to a good trainer rather than a bad trainer Children in the lowest social classes dont have this advantage even academic learning would not be highly rated bring this child up in an upper middle/upper class environment they would be far more successful basicaly all the top jobs, are kept in the family so to speak not as easy thing to break imo |
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I will jump in here (without reading the previous posts) and say Charities... a joke...
In my day a Charity was run by well meaning people with time on their hands... Nowadays they are a career path for the otherwise unemployable "University Graduates" that years ago would have been lucky to have been employed as Domestic Help.... Who says that mass immigration has not helped a section of British Society.... |
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Great stuff, always works a treat, get the plebs fighting amongst themselves over scraps and they don't even notice the important stuff...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9756046/Mark-Carney-to-be-paid-three-times-as-much-as-Sir-Mervyn-King.html I thought Tories were changing the rules so nobody could get housing benefit worth more than 26k. Here's some foreign geezer getting 250k a year in rent.  |
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read an article about working people and how most or many are approx 3 months from finding themselves on the road to ruin a series of events starting with them losing their jobs and cant pay the mortgage ,cant afford to run the car i, it gets repossesed , after a few months of missed mortgage payments and living of of meagre savings the house is reposessed the couple split up from the pressure and it is all down hill ,in reality most ordinary people if those situations occoured would be about 3 -6 months before they faced the same , a sobering scenario it could happen to anyone !
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some people regard alcohol and gambling as the two essentials of life
not food and clothes..they are the luxuries  |
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Housing Benefit what should that be...
Nothing.. There are (were) plenty of jobs available for the masses and if they do not want them then let them support themselves.... As for some half-wit "Tucho" comparing some-one taking on the most important job in the British Economy with scroungers,immigrants and the work shy then that must say something ... |
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homefortea would you like to estimate how many jobs there are currently available that would support you buying or even renting a house,by the way you are a muppet of the highest order
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homefortea would you like to estimate how many jobs there are currently available that would support you buying or even renting a house,by the way you are a muppet of the highest order
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That would be two then !!
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true foyle
'there but for the grace of god go I' I find the OP condescending give people enought for the basics food, clothes, heating, tv licence etc but what they spend it on is their choice the only exception should where children are involved they must be fed and clothed first |