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Kauto - Is Clive Smith having a laugh ?
Kauto - Is Clive Smith having a laugh ?
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Agreed DJQ. People forget that in the time Kauto has been at Ditcheat he has had three or four well-publicised changes of lad, so all this "the people who have looked after him for the last nine years" guff - it's not as if it has been unbroken continuity for the horse. He's had different horses in the box around him, different jockeys...he's proved he's perfectly adaptable to change.
The place he's going, Laura Collett's, is an Olympic-level stable with the best standards of care. Laura has fewer than twenty horses - a bit different from Nicholls's 150+. Arguably Kauto is going to get more individual, 1-2-1 attention on a yard that size than he received at Ditcheat. http://www.lauracollett.com/facilities.html |
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Would the moaners prefer to have him bored to tears or found in a field emaciated and suffering like a former Les Kennard "star" was or perhaps awaiting the butcher in Belgium like a former horse of the Queens?
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like most ,if not all of us on here , i know nothing of the potential 'ego' battle between big trainer and bigtime businessman owner . both of whom i imagine don't take kindly to being told what to do at any stage in their daily lives . however , jezebel's argument for the move of the horse is most compelling .
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don't know clive smith but he's always come across badly to me. i recall him saying something along the lines of 'ruby could learn something from sam' when sam thomas won the 2007 betfair chase on him. yet when sam thomas was going through a nightmare spell the following year, smith (and nicholls) appeared very happy to drop him
nevertheless, i don't have a massive problem with this decision in theory and i'm sure this great horse will get the best of care in his new home. just sounds as though it could have been handled better |
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nico/5641268099/
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It is Smith's horse and it is his decision. However I dont accept this cr@p about dressage being the be-all and end-all for a horse. To me the moves are totally unnatural for a horse. Has anyone ever seen a wild horse do any of these moves of their own accord. Of course not. It is totally alien to them. But they have been seen to jump obstacles.
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bit of eye candy for Kauto then at least.
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I suspect that if Kauto could talk he would say something along the lines of " Goodbye all & thanks for looking after me " said with a grin of expectation at the thought of a wonderful career twilight ahead with a quality of living & activity that most horses could only dream about.
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Kauto Star must be relieved.......
That he didn`t end up on Paul Nicholls dinner plate. Bravo Clive Smith. |
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LOL Arkle,have you ever seen wild horses with carts attached delivering milk or coal to cavemen...........ponies going down mines with panniers attached each side or pulling guns through Artillery Fire?
All totally natural of course.   |
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Dunkirk....i remember!
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Half pass (official dressage move - moving at a diagonal with the legs crossing in front) - horses do this in the wild frequently, especially at trot.
Extended trot (official dressage move - horse takes lengthened strides) - horses do this in the wild frequently, especially stallions showing off to mares. Pirouette (official dressage move - horse pivots on the spot) - horses do this in the wild frequently, as a means of changing direction quickly. That's just a small selection off the top of my head. Dressage means "training" and is just a means of enhancing and improving a horse's natural paces, suppleness and athleticism. Just because you don't understand something, or are too narrow-minded to learn about it, doesn't automatically make it "cr@p". |
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doubt the horse gives a f**k as long as hes fed and watered....if Nicholls, his lad and Clive Smith all dropped dead at his feet, he wouldn't turn a hair... people need to get a grip ffs. Too true |
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You obviously know a lot more about it than me Jez but I cant imagine Kauto showing anything off to any mares unless he brings along all those trophies
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Just a taster for you fúcking know it all's... a technique called rollkur – the practice of drawing the horse's neck round in a deep curve so its nose almost touches its chest – was posted on YouTube. It showed Swedish rider Patrik Kittel at October's World Cup dressage qualifiers at Odense in Denmark warming up his horse, Watermill Scandic, for a sustained period of time in the position, also known as hyperflexion. The horse's tongue appears to loll out and go blue. Kittel has since received death threats.
The incident has caused a "phenomenal reaction", says dressage trainer and author Lady Sylvia Loch. "It is a shocking symptom of where the sport is going, it's the tip of the iceberg. What is going on behind closed doors in the training of these horses is very wrong. |
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Wherever he goes, he's bound to get well looked after and It's probably very petty discussing If he should be galloping at Nicholls or tap dancing elsewhere, when you take into account the amount of animals that are abused and mistreated on the planet.
He should of stayed at home though IMO and gone tap dancing at the weekends. |
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Spend another few weeks with Fraudy and you will get the hang of it Boxing.nap
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It's not my job to educate pork so GFYYFDC.
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Yes, rollkur is shocking and unacceptable, and true fans and exponents of classical dressage are completely opposed to its use. That's why there was such delight (apart from the obvious patriotism) when Charlotte Dujardin, who does not and has never used rollkur in her training, beat Adelinde Cornelissen (who does) at London 2012.
If your point was to try to suggest that anyone who enjoys dressage uses rollkur and is therefore some kind of animal abuser...epic fail, I'm afraid. On a par with assuming everyone who enjoys racing is a doper, just because there are some sad individuals who use nefarious means to get ahead. Don't judge an entire sport by its few bad apples. |
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anyone see that program horsepower with Martin Clunes in? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBatY-u8Y34
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Im not sure what your post is intended to say Theboxingfox. National Hunt has had its fair share of "Welfare Issues" so for you to start flinging stones at another sport is naive. Kauto I'm pretty sure wont be competing at World Cup events, probably local events mostly.
One of the major reasons for the move might have been that Clive wanted easy access to visit the horse. |
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Wheres that photo of Kauto close to breaking his neck at Cheltenham
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Yes Jez he's just gonna love the tongue ties as well. My point DJQ was that its not the airy fairy sport some on here think it is.
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You could not educate yourself without Google.......Boxing.What happens on the continent is NOT common in the UK.
How many U necked horses have you seen in dressage or eventing in the UK? Plenty of Dutch,German etc going back decades and not all achieved by the method you describe,few in fact.hth |
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Google, what a **** you are. I cant be bothered talking to morons. get on with it among yourselves. |
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You cant admit you have nothing remotely interesting or original in your cerebral cavity Boxing.NAP
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GT IS OK Boxing,hit the Gin early!
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He hit the Google button too early.nb
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mmmmm Gin now that's the best idea on here tonight. Thanks and GN guys enjoy the craic. |
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Clown!
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Well he'd be used to tongue ties, given that Nicholls stuck one on him for every race!
The only people who think dressage is 'airy fairy' are those who don't understand it. It's an athletic discipline. But if you think Kauto is going to be subjected to some of the less palatable methods that some unfortunate individuals resort to to get to the very top, you're wide of the mark. Forget the silly bets about the 2016 Olympics. Kauto isn't built or bred to be a Grand Prix level dressage horse. He's a Thoroughbred, and the very best dressage horses are Warmbloods. He's a gelding, so there's nothing to be gained by pushing him beyond his capabilities in order to boost his stud value. There is no prize money to speak of in British dressage so it's not about financial rewards. He's going to (hopefully) give Laura Collett a bit of fun, give her a new challenge in schooling him to his potential and to raise the profile of retrained racehorses. He'll be a bit of a celebrity on the lower level dressage circuit and maybe bring in a few new fans. |
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^I defer to your knowledge Jez...
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Well I breed the bu88ers (dressage horses) so I'd hope I know a little bit about it by now!
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Jezebel, thanks for that reply, you obviously know a fair deal about this, I know F,all and was just winding up the children, GT you were spot on about google. On a serious note it's a shame to see the relationship between owner and trainer turn into a public slagging match, I don't think it does racing or either of them any credit. I hope the horse loves his new life, he certainly gave many much pleasure, not to mention a good few bob as well.
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A bit like those who despise ballet Jez,no understanding of the Art (I cant stand it btw)or perceive Polo to be elitist.
Anyone who has ever had anything to do with horses,however limited knows that like any animal they respond to kindness more than cruelty.Yogi Breisner and Yarmy (Steve Dibble) will confirm that fact. Anyone who ever watches the Queens birthday and presenting the colours would see happy horses doing something they actually enjoy,en mass.If they didnt like it...................? |
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Feel the Christmas love!
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GT, apologies mate, you seem to have a passion foe this and I was being deliberately obtuse.
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