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Kauto - Is Clive Smith having a laugh ?
Kauto - Is Clive Smith having a laugh ?
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I don't see the fuss apart from them obviously being upset at Kauto leaving the stable, but when you have
Denman Team chasing Neptune Collognes-showing and Hello Bud at 14 still running at Aintree. Then I think it looks like racehorses want to do something. Just a shame there could not be a mutual agreement either way he is sure to have a better retirement than Hallo Dandy, Yahoo and many others. |
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"Best of Luck to owner and horse"
wholeheartedly agree with the latter, to the former I think he's had more than enough already the smug, toothless barsteward. I cannot abide him. |
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European racehorse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQOchrK7NA  |
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Nicholls has a short memory. Only last year was he suggesting retiring Kauto to get fat and grumpy would be cruel and that Kauto was an athlete who needed activity.
So what`s the problem? It`s only horse ballet. It will keep him nimble. He is French after all  |
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Yeah, Got owners mixed up
 Even so....what's in it for sending them dressaging? if anyone knows or follows this sphere of course |
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Who does Nicholls think he is? He is a paid servant to the owner, any decent trainer would have done great things with a horse as talented as that.....if hid ego got any bigger it would be nearly half as big as his plump head.
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If Kauto was bucking and kicking at Sandown, and according to PN thru Clifford Baker off the other morning before trotting home it sounds like what he's doing at the moment isn't enough to keep him interested.
While it's great for the likes of us to be able to see him paraded he probably thinks he's being taken to the races to run only to walk around a bit then find himself back in the horse trailer. I can fully understand why those who've been closest to him for the last 8 years are upset and perhaps the way it's happened isn't the best, but it sounds to me that he should be given the chance to see if he enjoys doing something else. I'm fairly sure if a horse doesn't enjoy something he'll be quick to let you know. You'd like to think if it doesn't work then they'll let him be in a field under the best possible care and attention. If that doesn't happen then I think its time to get angry. |
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Jellybelly going on like a prat, he doesn't own the horse and he does not decide on the horses future.
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SPOT ON^
GWAN Kauto Get stuck in https://twitter.com/ CollettEventing/ status/ 278563201908629505/ photo/ 1 |
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WHEN TWO EGOS COLLIDE
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Borderlescott and Hello Bud joining the yard shortly
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The Tatling now works on skeggy front
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There is some utter s h i t e being spouted on here.
Dressage is not 'circus tricks' or 'show pony stuff'. It is a form of gymnastic training - it keeps horses supple, it teaches them to carry themselves in the most biomechanically efficient way possible, builds muscle and occupies their brains by teaching them different exercises and movements. It's an excellent way to keep a horse like Kauto healthy, fit and occupied. The RP article reads as though Paul Nicholls has thrown his toys out of his pram at not getting his own way. It's sad for the Ditcheat team that Kauto has left the yard but - bottom line - they are paid to look after horses, and they should know that they can be taken away at any time, at any point during or after their career. Clive Smith has paid the bills for the last nine years, Kauto is his horse and he can do what he likes with him. There are plenty of people on here quick to criticise owners for 'discarding' horses or treating them as money makers. We should be applauding Clive Smith for having planned to give Kauto a useful and active retirement, and celebrating the brilliant advert that it will be for life after racing to have Neptune and Kauto competing in dressage (funny how Nicholls didn't have this sort of tantrum over the Hales retraining Nipper for dressage...) and Denman hunting / team chasing. |
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Not many on here seem to know what dressage is.
It's all about training the horse to use itself in as relaxed a manner as possible. Every horse would benefit from it, including racehorses both in and out of training. It makes them healthier and happier, as they repeat the movements of muscles and limbs even when turned out loose. If you see horses turned out in a field, you can soon distinguish the fluid movements of the dressage-trained animal from the clumsy gait of one turned out and forgotten about (or "enjoying a well-earned retirement"). It's a pity that most of us only see dressage accompanied by silly hats and music, but at all bar the highest level it's just a test of the well-being of the horse and the ability of its rider. As regards Pumpkinbonce or his staff necessarily knowing better, their job was to win races with the horse. Why should they have any particular expertise beyond that? Having said all that, Clive Smith does deem to have a knack of falling out with champion trainers. Both sides should have been able to deal with this issue with a lot more good humour and a lot less ego. |
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spot on jezebel
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pumpkinbonce
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I suppose the problem is people have their own ideas about what would constitute a happy retirement for an ex racehorse and I would guess most people's idea would be for them to be trotting around a field munching carrots.
I've seen Monsignor at a couple of the Qipco days and he seems to love just going to the races and having a fuss made of him. That kind of racehorse retirement idyllic plan is what's ingrained in many of us I suspect. Especially as sending them to dressage is relatively new, certainly for the real top notchers. The saddest thing about all this though is the unnecessary tug of war it seems to have provoked between owner and trainer. |
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It's a pity that most of us only see dressage accompanied by silly hats and music, but at all bar the highest level it's just a test of the well-being of the horse and the ability of its rider.
My point exactly scbtw....most people's only knowledge of the sport (and I include myself here) is the bits and pieces that the beeb put on once in a blue moon when their itinerary is threadbare unfortunately. If it's a/the way to keep the old boy happy and active, then no complaints from me, |
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At the Introductory level all that Kauto Star will have to perform is walk and trot, and for his rider to remember to do circles and turns at the correct moments.
They'll get marks partly just for doing these basics correctly and partly for displaying willingness, freedom of movement and balance. In a way the judges will be publicly scoring just how happy and healthy the horse is in his retirement. There's no pirouettes etc. until Grand Prix level, another ten levels higher. All the movements derive from the training given to cavalry horses in days gone by. It's not a circus. For Kauto Star it's just a day out among some ladies bitching behind each other back. |
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Lot of people here with no idea what they're talking about - some saying he 'deserves to stand around doing nothing in a field eating grass' - what absolute garbage! The horse would absolutely hate that - akin to shutting a Ferrari in a cold garage to rust! Having been used to an active routine for so long, his mind needs to be exercised as well as his body. He's in the prime of his life for christ's sake. He's a show off and will adore the adulation he gets on the dressage circuit.
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^If that is the case why not race him?
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Because he wouldn't be competitive at the highest level where he belongs.
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I hope Kauto shows his displasure with his owners decision by kicking him straight in the gonads!!
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And because racing requires maximum exertion and puts the most strain on heart, lungs, bones and tendons. Dressage is a gentler form of exercise, with muscle tone being built up gradually. Virtually any sound horse is capable of competing in grass-roots level dressage as it measures schooling, obedience to the rider and accuracy. It doesn't require the extreme, on-the-edge level of fitness that racing does. Dressage horses can compete well into their twenties.
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Absolutely fu&*%& stunning reaction from people who have made livelihoods from people like Smith who lose about 80% of their investments on horses.
Then are given abuse via the internet for looking after THEIR own horse. Seriously what is wrong with Nicholls and some of his staff. |
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Maybe the horse would be better off where hes been living the last 9 years??
Seriously what is wrong with Smith. |
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Seriously guys? If he stayed with Nicholls he would be doing what he loves. Cantering in the morning, going out with the string on the roads walking. The only difference would be lighter work and no days at the track bar parading on King George day. Clive Smith needs to remember the people that know him best are the people that see and look after him day in day out. Why take a horse out of his routine when he's loving life. For me that's cruel on Kauto. I think this is Smith just wanting to show who's charge instead of putting the horses interests first. I think Nicholls has every right to be upset tbh, He has offered the horse a place for life with an active retirement and Clive has just told Nicholls to do one, just because he can.
Clive Smith If you loved your horse that much you'd let him stay at home. |
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Nicholls is gaining nothing out of keeping Kauto, I'd even put good money on Paul funding Kauto's stay.
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^ completely agree with the last 2 postings, I'm sure the horse would be happiest just staying where he is.
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Thing is its Nicholls and his staff who have been looking after Kauto most of his life,not smith.
Why did'nt smith just let the horse carry on staying at Ditcheat,sure they could have arranged it between them. Could have been a hack,gone out in the mornings with the horses etc etc,and basically enjoyed his retirement in familiar surroundings with people he knows. Just dont see this Dressage thing,i really dont. |
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They should know their place. Salaried staff.
Smith's horse to do with as he pleases. |
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Reminds me of many greyhound trainers who behave as they own all their dogs. They aren't. They are owned by the owner, who pays ALL the bills.
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Nicholls staff have been looking after Kauto because Clive Smith has been contributing to their wages.
Now his racing career is over he's no obligation towards them, he can do with Kauto Star as he wishes as far as i'm concerned. |
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Not whats best for the horse then?
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why do you feel staying in ditcheat is the "Best for the horse".
The horse is going to grade a facilities and care. All this "Best for the horse" is emotive garbage. |
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Kauto Star is only an old horse in racing terms. It's not like he's on his last legs ffs
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cos thats his home where all the people who care for him are,and where hes been comfortable for a long time.
we all love home,why should a horse be any different?? That not best for the horse?? i think it is. |
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doubt the horse gives a f**k as long as hes fed and watered....if Nicholls, his lad and Clive Smith all dropped dead at his feet, he wouldn't turn a hair... people need to get a grip ffs.
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