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365 and Laddies stoop to new 'caped crusader low'
365 and Laddies stoop to new 'caped crusader low'
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^ here here. Dont be put off by the doubters. Another one beat, unfortunately not out the frame but still good for ladcrooks towers
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this is all very interesting, i wish i had the time to fully comprehend the nuances
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fascinating thread.
if the implication here is that these bookies are getting inside info and using it to manipulate markets on horses they know won't win... where is the info coming from? Are there any trends in which yard these horses are running for, jockeys or owners? Would be really interesting to see the list of horses laid and have a quick peek to identify the sources... |
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Guys I will list all the facts and reasons behind the 'Evening Scam'
when I have the time. What is interesting is that laddies yesterday for the first time in nearly a year swerved both the 365 feature races. They priced up the 140 and 240 at Catterick late afternoon and the 250 and 320 Lingfield. Since I broke their chain, they are now trying to cover it up - give me time it will not work. |
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MOTS i think you should report your evidence to the powers that be, not just the BHA but the police
of course bookies have informants they pay in a number of stables |
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MOTS.......well done in sussing this out.
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Let's get serious here.
There is nothing to report to the BHB or the police. 25 years ago at least Laddies nearly always had the best information and regularly were the shortest price on the days feature race. As newspapers started to print odds checker type tables and it became clear, the system changed; Laddies started to make the winner longer. I suggest that there is nothing more here than the books working out respective information and setting their prices accordingly. MOTS has picked up on it and having trousered some decent dough wanted to share it with the forum. It is hard to keep quiet about a winning system but as always as a system gets discovered the opportunity to profit begins to close. Nothing sinister here in my opinion just a good spot by MOTS. |
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well done manonthespot,i worked in the industry for a number of years and know what goes on.
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You mean, horseracing's b*nt!
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As a 12 bob note!
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Not suggesting these are all non triers, ladcrooks are as warm as they come and it's warm money that I'd wanna be with. Do all the time form/stat crunching you like but if these guys don't want a selection then neither do I. They'll get it wrong on occasions of course but they're right more than they're wrong.
With the markets now so weak they can (and do) manipulate the market on here to give certain impressions to customers in their 2500 shops, so why not add an extra string to their bow by getting early money sucked in too. No smoke without fire, keep up the good work MOTS |
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2.50 Lingfield, George Fenton. Last night, priced up by Lads and WH at 5.5 and 5, Bet 365 went 7 out to 8.
3.20 Lingfield, Stepturn. Last night, Bet365 went 4.5, Lads and WH 6. One aftertimed (I'm a bit behind your time here in Canada. - 1.40 Catterick The Hollinwell, Bet365 17 into 13, Lads steady at 17. Went off at 28/1 and I think they are still looking for it. |
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Oh, forgot to say that Lads and Sporting Life tipping up George Fenton. We'll see.
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Stepturn was a definite trier, fought back to win bravely having been headed.
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Yes RJ, I thought that may be the case from the price action in running. Traded at 10.5 before the off too. Seems the difference in prices last night 4.5 and 6 with no movement mean't nothing. Good luck.
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All points to fluctuation tonight !
All the bookies are getting involved in both 365 feature races ! Laddies back to normal were first in, Commissioner Gordon is no Nicholas shops hate him Rust ! Sporting Life aka laddies have been sussed by the Riddler. Steer clear of the 365 9/2 Chestnut Ben in the 150 Newbury and the 9/1 Royale Knight in the 245 Ludlow. Boy they are pumping Tour Des Champs and VC went big, you cannot confuse me caped crusaders. |
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Chestnut Ben out to 7 and Royale Knight to 17,MOTS you have the evening stitch up
sorted.Really hope there is a shrewd stable out there who will use the likes of ladcrookes to throw out a non trier message then will smash them to bits! You have such a following here now and the bookies and betfair are reacting to your messages,What I am saying is come on just one bent contact,help drift a 5/1 shot to 20/1 and come in late with smackers all over the country to take them for thousands. |
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Chestnut Ben (N/R)
But look at the Rule 4 deduction, they have been able to manipulate! |
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Royale Knight N/R too
Mots, you were right again so keep up the good work |
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what is it that they know? both being n/r means something not right with horses, so they know information that horses are not right? not illegal but not right.
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"Seems like a nice boy!"
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Hope you all backed 'Tour Des Champs' good old VC they didn't confuse the riddler !
Will keep on track the bookies have all swerved the second 365 race in the 230 but look at their pathetic attempts in the 200 ! Laddies massive on Ertikaan so there's a non trier, will add Warfare as the 365 tempter, they also are tempting us with Crew Cut. What a shambles of odds compiles, percentages all over the place, we have the bookies rolling guys. So i am saying Warfare and Ertikaan - 1st one unplaced 2nd one not to win. |
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Mrs P
Royale Knight ran poorly at the weekend and wasn't a surprise NR. |
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As Trusty highlighted further up the page, you have just found an excellent way to make money and well done for that, clearly seems to work.
but all your cloak and dagger theories are simply not true carry on the good work though as you are evidently coining at the mo |
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Great call on Tour Des Champs Spotty thought you had given up on tipping winners lol!
So now you are calling for stewards to look at pre running feature races the horses are being pulled out?????Very strange Mrs Moneybags!! |
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The 2.00 is all down to Hugh Taylor going to tip CUT ACROSS. No wonder they had to slash the odds. What would you do?
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Kampai in the 230, will watch this horse with an eagle eye.
I am not prepared to walk into a guessing game with 365 or laddies. Pretty childish laddies holding back and only WH joining in this morning. 365 cut this to 9/1 late afternoon yesterday, it has snippets of form so you 'caped crusaders' have been outfoxed by the riddler again. Had laddies gone 11/2 yesterday who is to say I would have got involved. My advice is to keep one's money in one's pocket in this race and to boycott all insane machine playing ( however, laddies one's freeze all the time apparently ! ) as the race starts. |
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Bristol Rover I hardly think Hugh Taylor should be mentioned in the same breath as Spotty.
With pennies in betfair these days how a bookmaker can be scared of a plain old arber like Taylor is beyond me.All bookies need to do is get in decent traditonal odds compilers and move prices according to real money and true knowledge of race horses and conditions. I once stood behind Taylor in the betting ring at Ascot he put 2 quid on a horse! Scary bloke is Hugh,on course sorts out the men from the boys at big meetings,would hardly say Hugh is Harry Findlay. |
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Is that true PCstar about him betting £2
 Must have been for the wife or g/f surely? |
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I think I am getting to laddies, could they be shaking Gotham City to it's roots !
Since when have they failed to dodge a 365 feature race let alone a whole nights early prices for the morning ! For the first time this year 365 stand alone in the 420 Wolverhampton. Is this in the wake off the Eddie Ahern front page story of the post today ? Should not bookmakers be accountable for false money ? Should not bookmakers who with hold information that horses are not trying be accountable for it's actions ? Is it fair trading ? Is it bad to lay a horse as a owner, trainer or jockey yet not for a bookmaker to lay a bet to a honest customer knowing the horse will not win. I have records of over 120 horses now, a high percentage on here I have predicted NONE have won. I have no information, I judge form and race conditions, look at the difference in prices and by a process of elimination work out the 'false' gambles. Why cannot the Stewards do just that and look at those two 365 feature races closely and decide themselves who to bring to justice ? 135 Lingfield - Royal Caper first struck me as stand out - but Bubbly Bubbly at 7/1 was the 365 falsie. My question remains how can so many bookmakers be different in price. Any decent reader of form can put horses in order of preference, there is not betfairs money to make a difference as 4 years ago either. Every single night there is massive differences, are the traders poor, I think not. It's obvious so obvious bookmakers bit back to curb the arber and now they are stitching up the genuine punter. Maybe the favourite will win the 420 Wolverhampton as 365 went 7/4 at 430 pm There was no indication of any price contraction until 820 pm Very rare indeed it took that long for the 'caped crusaders' not to cut a horse over 4/1 ! |
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you sir are a maverick, good job
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Mots.
Do you mean bubbly b is a lay? |
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Bubbly is a lay according to his rules dunga.
Spotty I fully understand why you deleted your contacts on here,the firm are about rofl! Amazed too ladcrookes never priced anything up last night and I agree about how everything has panned out between the bookies,arbers and betfair.You should write a book about this, I cannot think of any horse racing pundit or gambler who has been consistently right through his own judgement as you.Loads of narks and muppets roam forums of all kinds but you are spot on excuse the pun mate. |
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fascinating thread.
if the implication here is that these bookies are getting inside info and using it to manipulate markets on horses they know won't win... where is the info coming from? Are there any trends in which yard these horses are running for, jockeys or owners? Would be really interesting to see the list of horses laid and have a quick peek to identify the sources... Man This has to be the best article on the forum Ive long suspected flase favs and false gambles but have never been able to pinpoint them outstanding Surely you two aren't for real? Bookies have been manipulating markets (inc false gambles) from day one! Have you never been to a race course and seen the bookies rep sort the price of a horse? |
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I am building a huge 'case file' which shows how bookmakers are using 'evening markets'
to create false gambles. I needed to gain credibility first and I think with now 139 horses on the trot failing to win at all prices 4/1 and upward in the 'caped crusader' feature races it begs the question - Are the bookmakers in question any better than the likes of any jockey found guilty of not trying to win at the expense of the punter ? Gun Shot at the OK Coral in my opinion have the best traders in the country. They do not get involved in the 'evening goings on' and in general trade fairly and openly. northanlit - a 'maverick' you have me to a tee sir ! PCStar thank you for understanding re- my contacts, there is a serious issue behind this. 3Duckeggs thank you for your comments - this will get even bigger trust me! |
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3Duckeggs is spot on, MOTS is only bringing a little insight to the less intelligent forum punters, something that the majority of Pro punters and the more intelligent punter understand and works with as the norm on a daily basis.
I can move a price with a few phone calls without a carrot be laid, and to quote 365 who have no real punters (as they are all barred) who probably have a 500 quid liability each horse on the night before markets is not the most reliable angle. Having said that MOTS has discovered lads skulduggery for himself well done.  |
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MOTS
How long have has it taken to compile 139 mot out? Just the 2 feature races each day? |
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3duckeggs I think you miss the point totally
everyone knows bookies manipulate odds that is their business its what they do but when some one spots what mots seems to have spotted and can back it up with 120 plus losers on the trot................yes its true i have followed his lays and made a considerable profit there is something to be considered try opening your mind not just your mouth you may learn that way take care and have a nice christmas |
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Somebody had a lumpy £5K on this in one go at about it's lowest price pre-race, wonder who that could have been?
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