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popped into bentfred to throw away loose change (literally)in the fobt while waiting for something. amazingly won 85. so pkted the 80 and put 2.50 ew on gymdoli just as they were about to run and said 'did i get that on in time' . she said yeah no worries. went to collect and she said 'computer says no' my bet was 3 seconds too late sorry. unbelievable. so i said if it didnt win what would have happened to my 5 pounds. it would be returned to you , how , i asked. - 'you just bring in your slip and we refund it' . okay so i put a bet on it loses so i return for my money back. doesn't compute i said , why would i return with a losing bet.
she started making a scene saying i was accusing her personaly of stealing my winnings. i asked where does all the money go from people who dont know thier bets have been void. its kept in the system til you return your void slip on your accepted bet that didnt win.........she couldn't / wouldn't comprehend what i meant...... its not the first time , i had a pound 100-1 recently but i do admit it was very much on the 'off' and accepted it. how can a bet be placed and accepted yet only void after the result. last time i use that place absolute sickener and although 80 up feels like i been mugged . ........ i wonder how much money they make by doing this from losing 'void' bets................... rant over .......
she started making a scene saying i was accusing her personaly of stealing my winnings. i asked where does all the money go from people who dont know thier bets have been void. its kept in the system til you return your void slip on your accepted bet that didnt win.........she couldn't / wouldn't comprehend what i meant...... its not the first time , i had a pound 100-1 recently but i do admit it was very much on the 'off' and accepted it. how can a bet be placed and accepted yet only void after the result. last time i use that place absolute sickener and although 80 up feels like i been mugged . ........ i wonder how much money they make by doing this from losing 'void' bets................... rant over .......
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I'll call Matron.
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In the good old days when I was a manager I was still taking bets after the 2nd hurdle or fence and you would of be on a winner.
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I would add it was not for this firm who I have no time for.
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seen the late bet excuse a lot in my local freds lately. check the off time, with the time on your slip add 25 seconds which is what most bookmakers allow for a jump race after the off.
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The no more bets time is clearly defined but the fact that the manager said "no worries you are on" is enough to say you will get a result and be paid out. Don't give this up, I will be surprised if you don't get a result.
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They use it all the time in the Freds round here.
They told some blooke he was "1 second late"..  |
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when i worked for korals i used to accept a bit late on most races esp jumps,greyhound i think is the first bend,but being told you were on when you wernt is a bit naughty,i would pursue it with betting abbas,they dont keep it as refunds it just goes in the normal money and if you kick up a fuss theyre pay you your stake back,theiving baldies is just about right
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Used to work for orals pre Epos,one day Area manager turned up and started making small talk.Suddenly hit me with "what do you know about that"? and slammed a winning dog bet on the counter. I countered, whats wrong with it...he replies "Its late". To which i felt like replying " i got it on as soon as i could"
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same thing happened to me in Bald****fred, don't use shops but was just messing about while on holiday, ran up to counter when race off, manager got up to take bet (£50 ew in 5f race) the race was off as he took the £100 and handed me the slip. Don't know why,but I immediatley asked him was bet ok, he looked at till and said no its late,so I gave him slip for the £100 back, all this happened in 15 seconds. Horse won at 5/1, so obviousley wasn't happy. 5 mins later asked same questions as above and the **** obviousley has all the answers as it must happen several times a day. The rancid firm should be on that Watchdog or Rogue Traders they could easily be set up by the bloke that films the dodgy builders.
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take this to IBAS 3 seconds late on a 2 mile plus race and having the staff member confirming your bet was on gives you a decent case . you have nothing to lose and alot to gain .
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identical thing happened to me in a thieving freds in manchester a couple of years back
bet put through and got slip back.went to collect and was told I was too late had it lost I would have left the office and never gone back without realising my loser was void never happened to me with any other firm;fekkin hate dones and manchester btw.shythole |
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When I worked for C orals 3/4 secs a dog race, cartoon voided immediately ( but if a regular,would pay them), 5F sprints to 3M chases varied in time allowed after the ''off'' !
It seems like Fred's not being fair. |
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Simples .. don't moan just bet elsewhere.
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Thank you Sergei !
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the bet wasn't accepted. She was talking out of her hat and hadn't checked on 'the system' to establish it had been accepted - is my guess.
of course, if she had looked, seen it wasn't accepted and then told you it was accepted, hoping that if it lost you'd walk out and she could pocket your refund, then she'd be commiting a fraud |
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I'm surprised if you were stuffing the FOBT you didn't get a brucie bonus of a cuppa and a few free spins in the competition and in my humble opinion most betting office staff can get a bit poopy particularly with all the single maning malarkey. Remember Freddie's article in the RP
 wasn't there something about happiness and all for one. Surely you're on or not. Should be something to confirm on your slip. Surely we have the technology. Rubbery with intent. |
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good point - no imaginable technical barrier to putting 'bet accepted' on the slip.
many punters in shops have no concept of getting a bet on before the off, they're still at the counter handing their money over when a race is a quater or a third completed. In the event that any of these people are backing winners, I'm sure a lot of them are getting knocked back when they go back for their winnings. nice little earner for staff perhaps? not that I'd begrudge them it, I'd rather clean sewers for a living. |
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BALD EAGLE did exactly the same to my 71 year old grandmother, laid her 200/1 to a FIVER a young man WINS ANY MEDAL AT OLYMPICS 2012.
HE won a bronze when GRAN went to draw TRIED TO TELL HER BET WAS A MISTAKE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FIVER HAD HE FINISHED 4th |
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Was in a Baldy shop few years ago which i was a semi regular,sure the bird behind counter wanted me to give it her.She was a bit of a munter so it was out the question,anyway one time had £10 on a dog on the off that got beat.Minute or two later bird asks if ive still got the slip because bets void and gives me the £10 back.AS we where chatting she said it was company policy to keep stum about these bets and she would be instantly dismissed if a area manager heard her offering a refund.Thats a true story on my girls life the robbing bald tw@t.
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'She was a bit of a munter'
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take this to IBAS 3 seconds late on a 2 mile plus race and having the staff member confirming your bet was on gives you a decent case . you have nothing to lose and alot to gain .
You will definitely lose this at IBAS as according to the rules the bet is late and therefore void. Best bet is to try and get a discretionary payment although you are probably a million to get that unless you are a regular FOBT mug. |
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Not surprised she went off on one as she saw you on the FOBT and took you for an idiot.She would have been watching you so that she could pick the ticket up when she cleaned the shop and cash it in the next day.She must have been gutted when it won !!
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Don't all the staff who do that get sacked?
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I will add that any "Bookmaker" voiding bets on horses for a National Hunt Race 3 seconds after the off must have a death wish !!
Other "Bookmakers" will allow some grace as long as the favourite hasn't refused to race (etc).The shop staff however wouldn't know if it was a cartoon or the real thing and no wonder horse race interest is declining. Bald Knocker - if you pay peanuts you get monkeys and will lose out in the long run .... |
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banned banks..Only if you get caught !! The CCTV would be a problem and that is why Corals staff are delighted that they have to clean the shops because they can take the bin bags home with them..
My CV is in the post !! |
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anyone got the address of shop that lets u bet dogs at 1st bend please ?
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banned banks..Only if you get caught !! The CCTV would be a problem and that is why Corals staff are delighted that they have to clean the shops because they can take the bin bags home with them..
Surely any void late bet paid out more than about 5 mins after the race will almost inevitably be staff fraud. |
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Just got in from another shift at Joes.
Old guy came in today wanted £3 on one in the 3.15 at fairyhouse and £1 on a reverse forecast, he said I know they are off Ronnie is the bet on? I looked up and they had jumped a fence I said win or lose the bets on, what happens the bets void as it’s on to late, I said don’t worry I will sort it for you, i rang security explained the situation that this is a regular punter and the bet was on 34 seconds late, the guy on security asks what do you think we should do Ronnie? I obviously say pay him out so he says Ronnie pay him so I do, I even remember the figure £94.04 The old guy was nearly in tears when I paid him, made me feel good. |
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good on ya ronnie
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Banned Banks,you are wrong about must lose the case as the race was off.There is a level of tolerance on times according to the length of the race.Considering NH races,apart from the occasional NHF ,are over 2 miles minimum ,a few seconds are neither here nor there,and wouldn't void a bet.
I very rarely fail to get a bet on in a shop as I very rarely use them,but have placed NH bets 10 secs after the off at least.You can sometimes hear the tills bleep signalling no more bets. |
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34 secs late ? why wud anyone hand a bet in 30 sec after off?
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Does not surprise me at all with baldie. When I was in one of his shops once me and a mate bet on a dog. We went up to the counter just as they were loading the traps and gave her the money at the same time. £10 I had on a 4/1 dog and my mate £5 at 4/1, it won. Great we are happy, go to get the slip and get told I'm too late. However my mate bet was accepted. I asked how it was possible when she took both bets at the same time for my mates bet to be on but my bet not on. She then said my bet was 13 seconds late! But my mate who gave her the slip at the exact same time was on. I wouldn't have minded but I wasn't asking her for prices or anything so you just bang it on one after the other. I work at Bills and know it takes 3seconds for a bet to process so 13seconds is just ridiculous! I've not stepped foot in that bald ***** bookies again.
Like others have said, with Bill's they give you a good 15-20 seconds after the off of a national hunt race to accept bets. If your bet is then void on the system then it is down to managers discretion and most managers I have worked with, anything under 1 minute they will pay out but just warn the customer to be careful about it being on the off next time which is understandable with fraudsters. Why baldie Fred can't do the same rule is beyond me. They really are the bottom of the barrel of bookmakers. |
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Been turning punters over for years, was done on a correct score treble some years back, there was a team 1/80 & I wanted 5-0
The coupon had the prices on the back only up to 1/66, I asked what prices the scores on a team 1/80 the manageress replied correct scores on anything shorter than 1/66 will be settled on that price. 5-0 was 8/1 the treble copped & they settled the 5-0 at 11/2 which made the bet £300 light, I argued the toss, saw the area manager who said there were "special" prices on that game though he could not show me anything about it on the screen. Knew I was being conned but what could I do, the next round of International matches came round & on the back of the coupon prices on teams were now up to 1/100 now & prices on 1/80 & 1/100 shots winning 5-0 were --- 8/1 |
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Banned Banks,you are wrong about must lose the case as the race was off.There is a level of tolerance on times according to the length of the race.Considering NH races,apart from the occasional NHF ,are over 2 miles minimum ,a few seconds are neither here nor there,and wouldn't void a bet.
I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I realise there are tolerance times built into the system however if the OP was told his bet was late then the system has taken into account this tolerance. When I talk about a race being "off" I mean off according to the EPOS system. In this case the system clearly automatically voided the bet as it was outside the tolerance time. As a result IBAS will find in favour of the bookmaker as it has clearly been settled correctly as per their rules. Payment can only be made by discretion which will no doubt depend on his track record with them. |
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i only use one firm on the high st these days,its a WH shop,whenever i place a bet that i think there might be a time problem with i always ask manager if it will be ok,answer is invariably bets on if problem ill sort it.So system can obviously be overridden,comes down to quality of staff,find a shop with a good manager who understands the game if you can,not easy i know.Also,dont take the ****,its the chancers that spoil it for the genuine punters,& the price of a good drink for the manager when youve had a decent win doesnt do any harm either.
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a clear case of fraud
call the rozzers |
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banned banks there are no "tolerance times" built into the system !!
If the race is off at 3.42 and 20 seconds that is what time the race is off and a bet placed at 3.42 and 21 seconds will be confirmed as one second late.. This is where the discrepancy occurs.How much leeway does the minimum wage operative give the punter.The operative can overide the system and confirm that the bet is on in the same way as the operative can overide a price change and give a back price is it is a couple of seconds late due to various factors. If the Bald Knocker has instructed his bet takers that once a race is off IT IS OFF NO MATTER WHAT and all bets are void then what is left of his betting shop punters will rapidly vanish (happy days!) as there is always a rush on the off and by definition some bets will be a little late. I suspect what has happened is that in some shops the inexperienced staff think that "off" means no more bets along with the jobsworths,plus some may have been pulled up by "area managers" when so called "late" bets have won and have decided on a quiet life. More reasons for the decline in horse race betting.Just put your money in the FOBTs on the way out !! |
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I presented a late slip & was told it was a loser. The guy rang his superior, who said I was 'trying it on'& if it was a winner, I would have been paid.
I emailed customer services & implied that the bet was a winner. They replied that win or lose, the bet would be void. I took a copy of their email into the shop, the guy phoned his superior, I got my money back. |