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Happy Valley 19 Oct 12 13:30
is it that there are other apsects of the paper which annoy and that annoyance is coming out via the price than really via what is really p!ssing off the punters i notice also that there have been relative few remarks about the sports betting section on this thread (save Steve Palmer) - now i know this is the racing forum but there is surely a big crossover. ---------------------------- 1. - Disillusionment with the Editorial content = Fewer purchasers Fewer such purchasers = Inevitable Cover Price rise Cover Price rise = Even Fewer purchasers .... .....and so on - and so on 2. - "relative few remarks about the sports betting section on this thread" ..... Pop across to the Football Forum - for your fill of that.... on second thoughts - I don't want to depress you even further. |
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Sports betting other than football they are All a minor sport Darts, Snooker, fishing
Any one remember the TV boys had wrestling on each Saturday finished on the dot at 4.00 oclock |
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I use to buy the racing post every day,now I never buy it during the week because of the dross racing,i also use to buy The weekender but only for the Gerald delamere column,.
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I buy the RP every day and have done for several years, and while the Racing Plus is perfectly adequate, imo it doesn't match the RP in terms of the quality of presentation of the cards, form and spotlights - which primarily is what I buy a racing paper for.
And as pointed out previously on the thread, some of us like to have the RP cards for convenience, and besides, it's what I'm use to working from. While I can obviously see where millhouse is coming from, the paper still has non-bookie related material which is worth reading imo. And as someone who is virtually a 100% exchange punter, save the odd tote / multiple bet, there ain't much bookie propaganda which is going to influence me. Btw, one column I do miss is Tony Morris' pedigree analyses. Morris still writes for the paper occasionally, but presumably is semi-retired? |
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some drivel on this thread.
The Post is far better all round paper than the Life ever was. Coverage of Greyhounds is Fabulous. . every card printed and full form for all open races (Life never did) Plenty coverage of Football, Golf, Rugby and US sports (Life never did) Horseracing coverage is fine. Do you fellas really want 'better tipsters'!!! Pick your own selections ffs!! And the price...about the cost of half a lager. If thats too much for you..you are in trouble!! All newspapers in decline. In a few years it'll all be online. Stop moaning ffs!!! |
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^ Greyhounds = Minority interest - most people NO interestr
"Golf(Life never did)" .... pardon? Jeremy Chapman covered GOLD in the LIFE - for MANY, many, YEARS before it closed, and he was THEN snapped up by the Post. ... and I will still be enjoying £2 per pint Beer later tonight, too.  |
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lee h2, i suspect you have ome kind of affinity with the Post (me too btw!)
and i agree the Post is better than the Life ever was - Onlooker will disagree (vested interest there, too!) but let's not forget the rubbish Len Poole and Chris Gundry used to come up with in thier tips which amounted to "I like this one because I like this one". And what about that awful Court Circular column. that said, i do not think the horse racing coverage is fine. there are some many guessing tipping columns nowadays. spotlights have deteriorated over the last four or five seasons, so many should go close IF this and IF that. well they are meant to be saying what is likely to happen. Will he handle the ground or not, given the relative odds. and i think the spotlight writers are not as good as they were. not at all. i know he isn't there anymore but i also thought James Willoughby's musings had a very limited market. would be interested to know how many papers get sold because of greyhound coverage, with tracks closing all over the shop i have my doubts. this may be unpalatable but i fear it is correct. it could be argued that such extensive greyhound coverage is not viable commercially. sure there is a very wide sports coverage but how much of it is a "must" read for anyone having a punt or just interested in sport. i mean if you are a sports fan, rather than a racing fan, is it good enough to make you buy the Racing Post as opposed to go online or use your own national paper. as i've said above, I do agree about the price and am surprised this is a constant criticism but as it is, it probably has to be taken more seriously yes newspapers are in decline to the point of Finnish as backed up by onlookers post above which shows the latest falls in circulation across the board. |
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Hah - another Nap obliges, told you Onlooker would disagree!
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The wasen't much sports coverage in the Life because in the 70's and first half of the 80's there was very little available to bet on :
Footy - consisted of the fixed odds coupon where the the minimum number of selections on the main list was five, and three on a select list of difficult matches. Golf - Could only bey on the four majors. Tennis - Wimbledon, not even sure if there were markets on the other majors. Rugby and Cricket - hardly remember any markets available. Grand Prix - Am quite certain no betting available. |
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Is there any part of the industry bookmakers don't have control over?
The sport's finances are directly linked to their profits and as a consequence how that has affected the 'racing's' rules / race programme Shares in Arena Leisure / SIS They "power" RUK's coverage They sponsor ATR So what's the solution other than walk away from the sport? My point being - millhouse is saying people should not buy the RP because of the influence he believes bookmakers have over the paper, so do we stop watching RUK / ATR because they too are under bookmaker control to a point? |
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George, for what it's worth, and despite years of loyal support for the Racing Post in particular, I have made a point of not giving my money to any of the above in any way - punters ruthlessly removing their business from media platforms that have made the commercial decision to take money to deceive them is the only way anything will ever change, imho...
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Basically the Racing Post does not provide a fair representation of the facts and that it is why it has a readership that has declined to an unbelievable 45k..
I have more people on my Christmas card list.. That RP tipping column has had more half wits contributing than the letters page of "Liverpool FC Fanzine"... If I read of one more columnist that has not had a bet because their computer has broken down or because they were on holiday then I will..... |
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Lee h2
Can you tell me what page the BAGS meetings cards for today are printed on please? I see a list of names but no cards or form. Ta |
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Today is a prime example of the RP not doing the job.Last night molerat let the forum know the score regarding Frankel,the ground and any doubts.The RP reported the same info a couple of hours ago.
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The Life DID have a Sports Betting Section for quite a few of it's latter years.
With the likes of - Derek Shaw who 'did' the Football  - Adrian Humphries(now on the Post) Snooker - aforementioned Jeremy Chapman - Golf etc, etc.In fact the Sports Betting Section became so extensive that it needed it's own Editor.............. - the job went to a whipper-snapper who had previously been on the 'Dog Desk' ..... called Bruce Millington. |
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Lol onlooker,I remember a dog with the same name.
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lee h2
19 Oct 12 17:48 some drivel on this thread. The Post is far better all round paper than the Life ever was. Coverage of Greyhounds is Fabulous. . every card printed and full form for all open races (Life never did) That is you taking the rise obviously. |
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Isnt it strange slippy how the drivel seems to be majority opinion?
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Actually onlooker there were two candidates...Derek McGovern who actually had a handle on what was going on and a certain young kennelhand who knew where the bodies were buried.....
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Its no surprise with that prize clown as Editor, he should be driving around in a collapsible car and wear a spinning bow tie, every Thursday, I visit as many shops as possible and write a four letter word next to his ugly mug
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Hft wouldnt it be a wonderful thing for youtube to superimpose Brucie boy on Tom Cruises neck in the scene with Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men?
Can you guess the scene?  |
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Deptford...
How is it possible that the likes of him gets a gig on a paper that is supposed to represent the punters.. How can any owners let him spout NOTHING in his weekly column.For Christs sake take on anther Editor and sell a few papers !! |
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GT MOLE...
The last film that I watched was Dambusters.Who is Tom Cruise... |
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Hft I worked for several years with the Americans (still do a bit),they hated my version of their version of the Dambusters........The Dumb Bastards.
Jack Nicholson "The truth" etc??????????? Shirley?  |
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They plaster Pricewise over the front page every Sat. and meanwhile any shrewdie is limited to 10 pounds PW and any other standout selection in the big three.
The way they'd get me to buy the paper again is to offer a service, as part of the Members Club, that I could have the Pricewise box prize up to a certain takeout (2k wd make me a member) for any horse. The Post wd be my agent and their pooled bets would get on as a condition of the bookie advertising. Otherwise I'll read it in the shop. |
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They still have not apologised for failing to tell people about the rule 4 on their front page after 5 non runners.
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There isn`t 45 or 47thousand (whatever the fig ) bought by punters,don`t forget every bookie buys at least 1 sometime 2 copies.So you`re probably looking at circa 35-40 thousand bought by your punter.
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My irk is that it has go to the point where the printed post is prepared to sacrifice lines of form for more advertising space. Not hard to be cynical about why, although the counter argument is that no-one bothers to read for any more - so why publish it.
ATR have gone to the bother of covering whole meetings in the past couple of years where the post haven't even published form lines. Bookies devote their space to cartoon racing and promoting machines rather than putting form out. They look at you like a nutter if you lift up the paper to read the form behind (on the odd occasion I have to venture in). What made racing interesting for me was that it was a semi solvable puzzle. Unfortunately, it is being bracketed with the mind numbing drivel, driven and paid for by those who have found an easier way to make a buck.. and the racing post seems happy to tow the line. |
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doantwin2easy - yes the bookies clearly trying to emulate situation in Oz where an "event" every 30 secs so no time to think and it sucks in all the semi addicted punters who must get a quick rush, so the live action becomes like a fruit machine, whirring and whirring around
racing post can't stand against this or really even point it out due to crippling financial position caused by paying too much for it in a signficantly declining market but that's about the situation as it stands (there are plenty of good and talented people on the Racing Post, btw - though not as many as there used to be. Isn't that right Onlooker? |
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i don't remember derek mcgovern going for the job as Sports Editor on the Life. I do remember the antipathy which extended to their columns which existed between him and Millington and am sure it started with Millington making childish remarks.
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punters ruthlessly removing their business from media platforms that have made the commercial decision to take money to deceive them is the only way anything will ever change, imho
and what do you envisage is going to change, millhouse? there is nowhere near enough advertising revenue coming into the sport to replace bookies ad money....the sport, the RP and the racing channels arent viable without bookies ad money....i think if it became common knowledge (in and outside of racing) that bookies only want the business of losing punters and refuse bets of any winners, you might see a sea change sufficient for them to change there ways to some degree, but not buying the RP or subscribing to RUK will achieve nothing |
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....other than to put them out of business if enough follow suit
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Duncan, given that it is operating with an agenda that is absolutely against our interests, why would any right minded punter want the Racing Post to survive..?
You can't expect to shaft your own customers and then expect them to continue to bend over, imho. I don't know whether you have ever run any businesses, but if you have you'll know that when commercial enterprises find they are losing customers, they re-evaluate the way they do business, and this is what I believe would happen if customers continue to drift away from these bookmaker infected media platforms. I know that punters are no longer perceived by these organisations as their primary focus - clearly their real customers are the bookmaking industry - but if you have a haemorrhaging customer base, then you no longer have a critical mass to sell to those who want to manipulate it. Therefore if enough punters drew a line in the sand, these companies would all have to start standing in the corner of those watching and reading again, imho... |
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why would any right minded punter want the Racing Post to survive..?
personally, i still find it a useful aid to my work, having the colours in front of me and being able to make notes on the racecard works better for me when watching vids, doing sectionals etc than purely working from websites....i also prefer to read any relevant news in the paper copy rather than online cos my eyes stare at the pooter too long as it is....apart from pricewise b*ggering up prices occasionally, the tipping side of the paper is irrelevant to me you talk about them haemorrhaging customers but i feel that is much more likely because i) people are gravitating to the website and ii) there is too much racing for people to get value out of a 100-page daily than for the reasons you give...there's not a paper out there that isnt experiencing falling sales, so i very much doubt the customers would come flooding back if they 're-evaluated the way they do business' ps i've never owned a business but i have managed a shop |
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I think people have got long memories,when the post started,They put up a competitive price 10p -20p if i remember,the working class and poor were happy to pay that,but just look at the ridiculous price of the daily paper now?
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It's still below hourly minimum wage
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You see the post like most of the rest of the society ,ripped off the public so they could justify there over paid jobs,The false economy continues!
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if that doesnt include internet subs then its to be expected really, but if it does they really are fooked imo
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Slippy
I'm primarily a dog punter. I used to love the Life but the Post is different class foe dog coverage. Dog punters are spoiled rotten (remember there are only a few of us left!!) Todays Post has 10 pages of coverage. Articles Runners at every Track in UK plus shelbourne Full form for EVERY open race Full Form for all RPTV race results from every race in UK - plus comments for every open race result. We (the few of us left) are spoilt rotten by it. All this for probably a few hundred people who read this section. They could save plenty of money if they simply put all this on the website. Good luck lee |