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ive just tried to post it,wheres the submit button!!!,BETFAIR,leave the bloody site as it is.
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Tamborine Man...............................Dident Kieth have "asthna" when he was rideing......?
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Sooty - David Dineley was Champion Apprentice in 1976.
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blackbarn, thanks, anything on Mark Malham.
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Thanks Blackbarn at least you spelt the name right, pity Matt (The Ranter Chapman) can't pronounce it, I know where Mark is, he works for Honda and done really well, themightymac, you can thank David Dineley for Owenbolsiska, he had to get on him after Robert jumped off him, he was just a bit nervous like our Bobby
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I'd actually never heard of him. One of Paul Cole's apprentices apparently. Someone on here will know as always.
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nether have i
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on till i read about him when he was at Doug Marks,
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A man who beat the odds and came back; Champion apprentice of 1976, David Dineley recently tasted his first victory for 15years. But few have faced a rougher path on their return to the winner's enclosure.
So few of us, surely, would survive the storm that whipped up around David Dineley and battered him so callously. We must salute his resilience. Salute, too, his utter frankness and humour as he talks about days of darkness. Dineley was champion apprentice in 1976, with 54 winners, and looked assured of a lucrative career with trainer Paul Cole. Last Saturday week at Lingfield, he rode his first winner for 15 years. Nobody every questioned whether he was anything but a competent, above-average jockey. So what went wrong? Some people who know Dineley, or think they know him, will feel ashamed as they read his story. Ashamed of their prejudice and whispered snap judgements, which wrongly condemned him as a drunk, a drug taker and a madman. Dineley protests there was never any truth to the tittle-tattle, though that did not prevent it from snowballing. He says: "I've never taken an illegal drug, I've never had more than three pints in a night, and I'm certainly not mad. The things I'm supposed to have done are ludicrous and untrue. "It's horrible when folks are gossiping about you and making up unkind stories that have no foundation. It was almost as if people wanted to get in on the act. "After a while I just had to accept it, though I could never understand why the stories happened in the first place - I'd done no harm to anyone." What is true is that Dineley was unwell at the time, and his problems were intensified by those who ignorantly claimed he was deranged. He was admitted to Oxford's Fair Mile psychiatric hospital, where he spent four weeks under assessment. The diagnosis was hypermania which, according to a specialist, is a not uncommon illness, responsible for mood swings and related to depression. "Being hypermanic has nothing to do with madness," Dineley explains. "Thousands suffer from the complaint - any doctor will tell you that." Despite this, when news of his stay in Fair Mile pulsed racing's grapevine there were, inevitably, those who came to their own petty-minded conclusions and were only too ready to voice them. Dineley, 46, who is articulate and worldly-wise, remains, to an extent, a victim of the stigma which surrounds those who have undergone psychiatric care. An example of this was the period when he was absent from Lambourn for seven years; the assumption was that he had suffered a breakdown and was hidden away in some institution. Again the truth was different. He was living in Bradley Stoke, near Bristol, spending his days caring for sons David, 7, and Neil, 5, while his partner Caroline Jones, the children's mother, worked long hours as a welfare officer for the Post Office. Neil, born three months prematurely, requires 24-hour care. He has cerebral palsy, epilepsy and a lung disease. Recently separated from Caroline, Dineley has returned to live in Lambourn, near to his other son, Philip, 18, though every few days he makes the 40-minute journey to visit his younger boys. In hindsight, Dineley traces his health problems to his champion apprentice season, when he was riding for Cole and locked in a strict regime with the sauna to do 7st 7lb. He remembers: "I was driven by my determination to be champion. I'd be in the sauna every day, every Saturday night, and all day Sunday. By the end of that summer, everything had got to me. I knew I was cracking up. "It came to a head in the September when I rode Gavin Hunter's Kolyma. She finished second in a Chester maiden to Chain Of Reasoning, trained for the Queen by **** Hern. In the heat of the moment, I objected to the winner. "On the far side of the course I'd nearly been on the floor, but the camera patrols weren't as proficient as they are now, and the incident didn't show up on film. I was fined for a frivolous objection. "Worse than that, I was lambasted from all sides for making the objection, and the newspapers went to town on me. "All I wanted to do was shut myself away. My weight shot up, and three weeks later I couldn't do less than 8st 10lb. "Though I didn't ride for the final month of the season, I beat Richard Fox for the apprentices' championship. By Christmas my weight was 9st 10lb. I went home to County Down to hide away. "At the beginning of the next season, Mr Cole, for whom I'd worked for five years, was in touch asking me to return. How could I with my weight as it was?" Dineley devoted himself to a fitness programme in the gymnasium, a routine he follows to this day, and when he returned to Lambourn two years later he was able to ride at 8st 4lb. Having forged links with a band of minor league trainers, for the next six years he earned a reasonable living, though more from the income generated by rides than a percentage from winners. Then a disagreement with another jockey in the changing room at Lingfield triggered a sequence of events that led to the Jockey Club withdrawing his licence on medical grounds. "That's when word spread that I'd gone mad, but that wasn't the case at all. I knew exactly what I was doing, and I wasn't a danger to anyone. From then on, life was tough at times. But I got by. I'll always get by." While living in Bristol, he rode out for Pat Murphy's stable, and, by chance, one of the partners in the mare Limelight was David Cook, a psychiatrist. When Dineley reapplied to the Jockey Club for his licence, he was, as he had anticipated, automatically turned down because the word 'manic' was written on his medical record. Cook was his saving grace. Upon hearing of the Jockey Club's decision, Cook carried out a two-hour assessment. He concluded that there was no reason why Dineley should not ride in races. Dineley's own GP agreed, as did an NHS psychiatrist. His licence was granted in the spring of last year and he has been riding work for Doug Marks, Taffy Salaman and David Wintle. Marks, 77 and Lambourn's senior trainer, has remained a loyal friend over the years, and promised him the ride on volatile filly Lucky Star if he could educate her to run in a straight line. In the hours before her win under Dineley at Lingfield the weekend before last, the filly had done her best to wipe out the trainer's staff. Firing off with her rear legs, she double-barrelled her lad, damaging his ribs, then dragged the lad's replacement 20 metres across the Lingfield paddock. Managing to squeeze a win out of the filly enabled Dineley to repay a debt to Marks, one of the few who visited regularly during his stay in the austere wards of Fair Mile Hospital. Dineley remembers the trainer's visits with humour. "I was seeing Doug off the premises one night, and for a joke I gripped his arm and told him, 'Don't worry, Mr Marks, you'll be all right, they'll look after you very well in here' - a conversation overheard by a young nurse, who then wanted to escort Doug off to the secure unit. "Poor Doug started jumping up and down and, pointing at me, screamed, 'It's not me, it's not me. He's the patient! He's the patient!'" Caring from stanchions like Marks helped Dineley to ride out his storm. And to ride his winner. |
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Mange
Keith might have had Piles and Mild Indigestion too.....don't really know about the Asthma M8. |
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I went to the Leger meeting with my dad, I was about 13 or 14 must have been 1964 0r 65 and backed the first 5 winners. The only one I can remember was Grenfilt ridden by Norman McIntosh, SP 20/1.
The first one was ridden by Doug Smith but I cant remember the horse. The loser I backed in the last was Common Pond. Think it was trained locally and ran on consecutive days at the meeting. |
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Very interesting that T.M.
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Tamb Man..............I was once told.."Great Jock.......but dont back him past 6fur..............as hes got asthma"..................who knows.
Also told that "BIG DADDY" wrestling.......try & bet in 2 rounds.........doctor says no more  |
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I MUST CORRECT THAT.........GIANT HAYSTACKS...........sorry & off track.......
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Colly
Nearest Formbook I have is 1966. Common Pond shows as a winner for Mick Easterby ridden by Dennis Letherby....Rous Nursery @ Donny. Other winners were Crosby Don and Farm Walk on the same card. |
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Anyone remember horses called, Hardirondo and Seven The Quadrant.?
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Tambers, that's it! I must have got confused. I think Common Pond ran unplaced the next day.
Farm Walk won the first I think, ridden by Doug Smith. Bing Crosby was there that day as well. Crosby Don was 33/1 if I recall. |
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i do dambuster , i think seven was a stayer if memory serves he won a right few ...
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he should never have been ometted to Fairmile, all they were told was that David Dinely had gone biserk and nearly killed John Reid with a pair of binoculars TOTAL BULL,in an unproked attack after 2F Reid tried his best to put him through the rails, Reid ran into the weighing room then into the tea room where David dineley ask what the f**k are you playing at when Reid came at him and David Dineley punched him, his witness was standing behind David Dineley Reids little mate D**k Fox (who never got over not being champion App) behind DD, as he said to David Dineley at Brighton inhis brougie irish voice, when David Dineley as him how many winners he had rode in early 76, Fox Jumped to his feet amd as loud as could shout, "no good you think you will be champion, cus immm a cert" wrong thing to say to Dineley, Reid and Fox went into see the stewards and DD was fined £100, he said when he got home his frigle X said "what have you done, you hit John Reid with a pair of Binoculars" and that still go's round today, (and disaperd for 6 weeks)"now thats what is called a head banging", as for the Fairmile stunt, he was telling me about that (Norman) hiched a lift up to Fulk Johnson Houtons and got David ? to take him to Lambourn and he took his car back to Fairmile, where spent most of his day in Reading in the bookies or playing pool in the pub and in the eveing went to the local pub for a game of darts, and told me a funny story about in the pub one night, there was several long term patients that were aloud to go to the pub for a half pint, they all dressed the same, they would sit down on an old church pew, as he would be in there early and was playing darts with a local when they came in, the bloke said to ,DD "there in" "who" "the loons from fairmile", "f**k, are we safe", "yeah", they left, and at the end of the night this bloke ask DD where was staying, "Fairmile, i'm a Patient", the look on his face was of total shock, said Dineley.
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Colly
The only winner Doug had for the 4 day '66 Leger meet was Franconia in the race before the Leger which was won by Sodium ridden by Frankie Durr.Little Norman didn't have a winner over the 4 days. |
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Many years ago my father and I met former top lightweight jockey David East. Can you tell us about his career?
Dave Osborne Enfield The Anorak says: David East was one of a now-extinct breed, an ultra-lightweight jockey who specialised in winning big handicaps. He was never in the front rank of jockeys, but his ability to do 7st with ease meant that he picked up spare rides in conditions events as well as handicaps. That was how he got the mount on his best winner, Good Match, in the 1967 Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot. Jeremy Tree's colt was a three-year-old carrying only 7st 3lb against older rivals, so his regular rider Jimmy Lindley had no chance of doing the weight. At that time handicaps were more important than they are now, so East would have regarded his victories in the Wokingham on Nunshoney (1965, carried 7st 2lb) and Charicles (1968, 7st 6lb) as his career highlights. He enjoyed his best season numerically with 15 wins in 1969. The demand for East's services declined as minimum weights rose, especially in handicaps. He was not much lighter than the great US jockey Bill Shoemaker, but British trainers have always preferred 'live' weight in the saddle to lead in the saddle-cloth. Other lightweights of that era included Micky Greening, Ray Reader, Jock Carson, Norman McIntosh, Derek Morris, Cliff Parkes, Brian Lee, Walter Bentley, Tommy Carter and Des Cullen. Sadly, David East fell on hard times and served a spell in prison. He died in 1990, aged 53. |
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OK Tambers, it must have been an earlier year. I distinctly remember Grenfilt and Norman winning. I'll try and find out.
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Colly..I've cracked it....you were right but it was 1967.
1st race Long Hill......Doug Smith 7/1 2nd race Grenfilt {1 e} N McIntosh 20/1 3rd race Bunker G Moore |
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Found this about Norman McIntosh. Written in 2001.
Milesius was a favoutite of mine. His comfy living room is adorned with photos of his big wins but his 1966 Ayr Gold Cup victory on the George Boyd-trained Milesius takes pride of place as his own personal highlight. McIntosh, who turns 71 in November, told me: "We raced towards the far side and it ended up a close finish. "I only got him up in the last stride and we won a short-head. But though I liked a drink, there wasn't time for any celebrations as I was riding at Carlisle the next day. "Milesius was a very good two-year-old. He didn't do much the next season but he came back to form as a four-year-old." The West Barns West Barns is a small village in East Lothian, Scotland. It lies 2 miles west of Dunbar and approximately 28 miles east of Edinburgh. It is close to the John Muir Country Park and Belhaven Bay. But, even in the nervous moments after the big Ayr sprint, Boyd's nephew and assistant Tommy Craig Thomas "Tommy" Brooks Craig was born on 21 November, 1950 in Glasgow, Scotland. He is currently the assistant manager of Hibernian. Playing career Craig was previously a talented midfielder and started his playing career at Aberdeen. wasn't sure he had pipped Top Of The Pops. Tommy recalled: "'Mac' seemed to think he had got up but in these days the photo finish wasn't as quick as it is now. "I was walking across the paddock to saddle a runner in the next so it was a big relief to hear the tannoy announcer say: 'First No 24 Milesius' as Lionel Brown had said he would never win a race after they were beaten in the Portland at Doncaster the previous week. "'Mac' was a great jockey to have in the yard and he could have ridden a lot more winners than he actually did. But after preparing them at home and getting them spot on for a race he always came up with an excuse to put other people forward for the rides. "He should have won the Cesarewitch on Flush Royal for us but Billy Nevitt got the ride as Mac said he was a hard-pulling horse even although he'd got him ready at home. "But when we had 59 winners in 1957 he rode quite a few himself that year and he was a great asset to have. I'm delighted to say that his last winner, Frankilyn, was on a horse trained by me although he went on to ride out for a few more years after that. Buckie-born McIntosh, who never married, gave a lifetime to the racing game A racing game is any game that involves competing in races through a surrogate playing piece or vehicle, either getting it from one point to another or completing a number of circuits in the shortest time. and he seemed as good as ever when steering the dipped-back Frankilyn home in Ayr's Rozelle Handicap on July 17, 1978. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironically the mare's next success that campaign came at Pontefract under a budding young apprentice called Allan Mackay and McIntosh is proud of his achievement's having helped the Grangemouth jockey get a foot on the ladder. With a mischevious look he said: "We had some great times when Allan was just starting out although I'll get in trouble if I tell you any of the details! When people ask why I never found myself a wife I always tell them I couldn't afford one as all my money went towards betting!" A vital cog in the Boyd set-up, McIntosh was approached to ride as stable jockey for Sam Hall at Spigot Lodge in Verb 1. lodge in - live (in a certain place); "She resides in Princeton"; "he occupies two rooms on the top floor" occupy, reside move in - occupy a place; "The crowds are moving in" stay at - reside temporarily; "I'm staying at the Hilton" Middleham. But, unlike nowadays, loyalty was a byword by·word also by-word n. 1. a. A proverbial expression; a proverb. b. An often-used word or phrase. 2. amongst his generation and he turned down the move although he did form a successful association with Mustavon when landing several valuable prizes on the five-year-old for the legendary trainer in 1960. McIntosh, whose best haul of 37 was achieved the same year, said: "Mustavon was a good miler mil·er "He was only just beaten in the Royal Hunt Cup but we won the Gosforth Park Handicap and the Royal Burgh Of Ayr Handicap that year as well. "It was nice to get the chance to go to Sam Hall but I was quite happy to stay at West Barns as I was contented there. I certainly never regretted my decision. "I also won the Great St Wilfrid for Sam Hall on Whistlers Daughter but I rode for other outside yards and I won the Magnet Cup at York one year for Pat Beasley." But although there was plenty of clamour reserved his best for horses trained by George Boyd and the pair teamed up to bag the 1965 Northumberland Plate with Cagirama. Other Boyd horses he excelled on during a golden age at the East Lothian yard were Ayrshire Bard, Anglo Scot, Staghound Nenton, Buffalo Thorn, Chaseaway and Cap Of Gold. McIntosh was also the man that looked after and prepared Rockavon for his famous win in the 1961 2,000 Guineas although it was the late Norman Stirk stirk that was on board Strathaven owner Tommy Yuille's 66-1 outsider at Newmarket. His eyes lit up as he said: "I rode Rockavon as two-year-old and he won his maiden and a nursery at Hamilton and another race at Stockton. "He was a great horse to ride out and we never lost faith in him even after he was beaten for me in the Northern Free Handicap at Newcastle. "I maintained I was too light to ride him in the Guineas and he actually went better for Norman Stirk. Rockavon was probably the best horse I ever sat on, at home or on the racecourse." McIntosh, currently recovering from a minor stroke, spends most of his time at the moment watching racing on television when he concentrates on the horses as opposed to his modern-day contemporaries in the saddle. He said: "I don't compare the jockeys now with my time as I rode with some great ones and I've never even met Kieren Fallon or Frankie Dettori."In my day I was up against Bill Rickeby, Ron Hutchinson, Scobie Breasley, Lester Piggott, all the northern boys including Edward Hide, Alec Russell, Johnny Seagrave, Joe Sime and Billy Nevitt and I also remember riding with the late Manny Manny Mercer who was killed in a fall at Ascot. "I was at Bogside the day Alec went through the card and I think he had the last winner at Lanark the previous day as well. I've hardly been racing since I stopped riding and I probably had a bet more during my riding days than I do now! "We had some rare gambles and I missed racing when I first gave up but not so much nowadays." It was as a raw 19-year-old that McIntosh opened his account when scoring on Highland Clan at Hamilton Park in September 1949. Smiling fondly he recalled: "I looked after the horse at home and I wasn't that nervous as George Boyd just told me to ride him like it was a gallop on the beach and we won easily in the end." It was a sign of things to come for an unselfish jockey that prepared as many winners on the gallops for others as he rode on the racecourse himself. |
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WEll done tambers, how memory confuses you. I could have sworn it was earlier than 67.
Remember lumping on Ribocco in the Leger as well! My last good year at that meetng! |
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Bl**dy thing posted on its own.
Bunker 7/4 fav. 4th race Chebs Lad B.Connorton 7/1 5th race Common Pond D. Letherby 100/30 fav. 6th race Future Fame Bill Williamson 6/4 fav. I must have been well into racing at the time as I remember nearly every horse at the meet. |
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I was at The Derby in 1973 when Morston won, i seem to remember a horse called Penalty winning the last (i was only 10), anyone know if i'm correct.?. thanks.
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another master piece collywobble thans for that insight ....anyone remember an aussie called des lake ...rode atherstone wood to win an irish gns late 60s early 70s ....
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Sorry about the garbage in the middle of that C&P. Thought I'd edited it all out.
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chebs lad didn't he turn into a very useful sprinter tambourineman...?
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Cheb's Lad what a horse! trained by Geoff Toft or was it Snowy Gray.
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Cheb's Lad what a horse! trained by Geoff Toft or was it Snowy Gray.
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Yes...Chebs Lad trained by Snowy Gray was one of the best horses of his time 7f/8f I think.
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Piggot rode Cheb's Lad when it won the Champagne Stakes I think. He almost got disqualified as Lester whacked the runner up on the nose with his whip.
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Piggot rode Cheb's Lad when it won the Champagne Stakes I think. He almost got disqualified as Lester whacked the runner up on the nose with his whip.
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The Apprentice Jockey blog has some good stuff from the 50's and 60's
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Workrider - Des Lake!!, think he rode the 2yo Bold Lad (dark colours with stars) at that time. Must look it up
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Re Chebs Lad, think it was Brian Connorton who rode Chebs Lad in the Champagne Stakes. 1967'ish??
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collywobble, Cheb's Lad was ridden by Brian Connorton to win the 1967 Champagne Stakes
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