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cwob did Kettlewell train In Dreams
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call daughter Susan,she as got face like a bulldog chewin a wasp.Last winner i can remember he had was Media Star won a thirk seller at 33's
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Honestly cant recall durose, no doubt one of the mesters on this thread will come up with the answer.
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did c kellett win the lotto to set up as a trainer#
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In Dreams ran at Doncaster in the colours of B Haggas, trained by M. Prescott and ridden by G Duffield on Saturday 9th Nov 1985
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collywobble , what kind of money can i expect when its published .....
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3s 6p
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Paulbu
Just finished after my second 13 hour shift, looking forward to the home made steak and kidney pie with proper chips (done in the old dripping, you can’t beat them!) when beggar me a tyre blows out a mile from home, nobody moan about today’s youth as two of them jumped out of their car and got down changing the tyre in seconds, and didn’t knick mine in the process!. That’s by the by I just needed the moan. Re your post on Darlington trainers do you remember Joe Richardson he had a yard just as you left Darlington via the train, he had a big grey horse called go on Joe, I remember backing it at Sedgefield many years ago. Who were the good punters from Darlington in your era. p.s. the pie and chips were beautiful. |
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TMan, that Tommy Kellett 2-y-o seller winner at Ripon was August/ September time 1973/74 so a bit spooky if he drowned around the time of the coup. I've no books here in Oz so can't check myself. Maybe Whitwhitlaw can have a look, seems to be on the ball with a great reference library.
workrider, 3s6d would buy a couple of pints of ale before decimalisation. |
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i know well it would paulbu...hope you're having a great time down under ....keep em coming ...always good to see you on here....night and god bless...
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Ronny Rail
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Paul
I definitely remember Naymag...I think I backed him when he won at Catterick under Pete Hetherington. Looking at later form he won at Stockton (which I'll bet you miss)...then again at Catterick under K Bremner. |
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Paulbu about that time, there was a right old gamble in a 2yr old seller called Golden ????/??, not sure who trained it but it was owned by Jimmy Simpson, backed all rates 25s down to 5/2.
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Scrub that, must have been quite a bit later as the fellow repping me didnt start with me untill 82
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Thanks workrider.
TMan, forgotten about K Bremner. He was apprenticed up north but I can't recall who he was with. Ronnie, remember Richardson, just, but he didn't have many flat runers. As far as good punters in Darlington at that time are concerned, if you mean long term winning punters then I couldn't name you one. If you mean they had a bit on then the town had a few. There was a butcher in Gladstone Street, Gary somebody who used to put the days takings on the fav in the last race. The Chinese from the laundry were the same. There was a chap who frequented Teddy Reeves in Bondgate, 'Gus' was his nickname who fancied himself as a 'pro'. He liked people to address him as 'Goughie' but he finished up as a porter at Bank Top station. A mate of Gus's was featured in the Sporting Life in the 80s as the guy the layers couldn't beat at golf betting. I last saw him with a pitch in the back line in Tatts at Catterick. I won £330 from him in the first race and he paid me out by slapping the money down into my hands. I don't think he lasted. Do you have any names ? |
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K Bremner, I think it was Keith, apprenticed to Bill Watts maybe about the same time as John Lowe ?
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ronnie rails - Go On Joe first ran on Oct 3rd 1978. Trained , as you say, by Joe Richardson and ridden by Mr Oldham, he finished unplaced. After a string of mediocre runs he finally got his head in front on Dec 1st 1979 when winning the last race at Sedgefield under M.Murphy at 13/2.
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PAULBU - K.Bremner used to ride a horse called First Again for northern trainer G.N.Robinson.
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Talking earlier about the great Joe Sime....this is his first winner, May 15th 1941.
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Paulbu,the golf punter must have been Bob Burnside,he will have been the moneyfinder with the bookie you had your bet with,probably J.B.Hough.
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Paulbu
Can’t stop on my way to get a new tyre before I start at Joe’s 10 till 10. The butcher in Gladstone street was Gary Whittaker he sold up a few years ago when he won the lottery and moved to Thailand, he didn’t stop there long and moved back to darlo were he can be seen every day feeding the fobs in Joe’s. Sadly I don’t know the Chinese, Gus real name John Angus can be seen in skinnergate Ladbrokes every day probably with the same overcoat on that he had when you knew him. The golf man as ribero said is Bob Burnside, I remember the year sevy won the open bobs total pick up on the golf from that open was more than sevy’s for winning it, he had the bet with Mervyn Wilson; now that is a name from the past;. Bob now sits at home all day still selling insurance and betting on the golf, he doesn’t go racing now but I spoke to him at York the day frankel won. |
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Ronnie, great stuff, it's a small world, Gary Whittaker used to go round to Tony Knightson's betting office on the corner of Lowe Street and Easson Road and bet more in one bet than the shop had taken the whole day. Tony would lay off with Nunns. Another big punter was the Italian guy who had an ice cream business and owned the cafe in the South Park. He would go to Knightson's during the winter months and bet in every race until he was ahead, gradually increasing stakes to cover losses. Some days he would be betting hundreds just to finish up a few quid ahead and the shop turnover used to rocket. Tony had a visit from Customs and Excise who wanted to know why there were wild fluctuations in daily turnover to which he replied, 'well, it all depends on whether Freddy the ITi is having a kamikaze day or not'.
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T MAN - Tommy kellett's last runner as trainer was Philip Green at Catterick 1974. Ripon staged 13 2-y-o races Aug/Sept 1973. Tommy Skellett did not have a runner in any of them.
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Whiwhitlaw, unless I dreamt it, Tommy Kellett won a two year old selling race at Ripon 1972-4. SP was about 6-1 having been backed from big prices. The horse was in selling company for the first time.
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Monday - July 31st 1972
RIPON - Good 3-00 Sinderby Plate (2y Seller) 5f 1. FORTUNE'S RED - 8-8 - Brian Connorton (lw, made all unchallenged) 2. Fiddle Myree - 8-5*3 - Mark Birch 3. Sunquest - 8-3*5 - John Curant 4. Windy Bank - 8-8 - Denis Letherby Dist: 3 lengths, short-head, 3. SP: 11/2 (op 3s) 6/1, 4/1 Jt/Fav op 9/4) Trained by: L Kellett. Middleton One Row, nr Dalington, Co Durham Owner: L Ford Breeder: Mrs C J Bibbey Tote: £1.22 - Pl 27p, 22p, 23p No bid. |
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^ * Typed L Kellett - because that is what it saqys in the Race Result in the Form Book -
But, it does list as T Kellett in the Index. ------------------- In 1973 Horses In Training - T KELLETT listed as - Church House Farm, Middleton One Row. Horses ... Marciano - aged 8g Major Black 6h Medicine Hat 6g Milwyn 6g Elizabeth Stewart 4f Firsval 4g The Banks Opinion 6m The Greatest Blue 6g Chase View 3f Denis Daniel 3g Fortunes Red 3f Jack Black 3g Baron Berry 2c Jackie Stewart 2c Morning Mam 2f Bell Berry 2f Owners: P Berry - A Craggs - S Crisp - K **** - Les Ford - John Fowler - W A Gall - J Havakin - G D Nalton - W T Stoker - Himself Jockey B Connorton (8-1 when available) Apprentice: D Kerr (7-12) |
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K **** = K D yke
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whitwhitlaw
Philip Green was owned by a Darlington gentleman called Bill Stokoe, it was named after his young nephew, Bill was the owner of Morris Binks betting shops. The shops were in Morris's name but bill was the boss. Paulbu Here’s a couple of names from the past you might remember, Jerry Johns the bookmaker had a betting shop a bank top, now Joe’s. and a punter andre the greek who owned the blue lagoon, he used to bet in the credit office beside his restaurant owned by the cox brothers, you always knew when he had a bad day as he put the price of the meals up on the night. Just another moan started of a bad day 60 for new tyre, pal of mine wanted a bet I laid him a 50 treble on the footer thinking I would get my tyre money back Leeds who won, st johnstone who won and palace getting beat 2 0, I thought it’s in the bag and what happens they win 4 3. Having a few large ones as a consolation. |
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Ronnie, remember the Greek owner of the Blue Lagoon.
Onlooker, thanks for the research. Interesting that the form book has Fortunes Red opening up at 3-1 and drifting. Horse was quoted 33-1 others in the Life and I saw plenty of cash for it at double figure prices early on. I see the Tote paid 11-1. |
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Sorry, lads. I was looking up Tommy Kellett, not L.Kellett. I was also looking up Aug/Sept 1973/74 as advised, not 1972.
Anyway, as it's the Arc today, here's the first ever write-up on it, 1920. http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/59d07fc3ad76b91c865d043962ecfa90.png?v=149850 |
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..an appropriately named winner too - Comrade. The coffin with the unknown soldier arrived at the Arc de Triomphe a month later in Nov 1920, and was laid to permanent rest beneath it in the following January.
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In fact the first 3 home all had fairly apposite names. The 2nd was King's Cross, and the 3rd was Pleurs (meaning 'tears').
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paulbu - just to put Fortunes Red to bed. The original racecard and the next day's results.
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Whitwhitlaw, interesting card if not top class. John Sutcliffe senior with a runner at Ripon, possibly his last, and Dennis Yeoman has a 50-1 winner. Fortunes Red, four duck eggs, wins as it likes and nobody bids against Tommy Kellett at the subsequent auction.
Has anybody mentioned Jock Wilson so far ? Stable jockey to Brian Swift, usually seen up north on the stables early two year olds. |
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Epsom-based Jock Wilson - or John Murrin Wilson to give him his full title – (born 1933) rode his first winner (Big Wig) on the very last day of the 1949 season. Fidonia won the Manchester November H’Cap on the same afternoon. He had his first ride at Epsom on the 3rd June that year. Won a few decent races (Cambridgeshire/Nunthorpe). Rode Major Role, the medium of a huge 2-month gamble in the 1974 Lincoln (3-1 fav) and was disconsolate when it ‘ran like a dead horse’. So extensively had Major Role been coupled in doubles with Red Rum for the next week’s Grand National that had the Epsom horse won, bookmakers would have cut the odds against Red Rum from 8-1 to about 3-1. Jock had his first ride for Doug Smith when partnering Cedar Grove in April 1974.
J.Wilson's first ride. 3rd June 1949 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/6c37405f2c45ad396342951aaef498e2.png?v=91350 J.Wilson's first winner 19th Nov 1949 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/2277243cc9a762e04cb081ba5f9f0981.png?v=194866 |
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Hey Whit.....great posts
I saw this Paul On Jock FIFTY-FOUR years spent living in Epsom has not changed Jock Wilson's Glaswegian accent. Nor has time dimmed his memories of Polyfoto, the Eddie Reavey-trained sprinter who, in 1965, scooped Europe's premier five-furlong prizes. Sent off the 20-1 rank outsider of eight in the Nunthorpe, his strong late burst carried him past Caterina and Granville Greta in the closing strides to record a half-length success. On his next start, he defeated the best France could muster in the Prix de l'Abbaye. "Polyfoto was very fast but temperamental," recalls Wilson. "I got on him because nobody else wanted to. The following season I lost the ride after Eddie and I fell out. It was my fault. I took a ride for Jeremy Tree, then Eddie asked me to ride one for him. I couldn't get off so Eddie got someone else. I didn't ride for him any more." Wilson arrived in Epsom from Glasgow in 1948 and served his apprenticeship with Jack Reardon. He was also Sir Gordon Richards' first stable jockey and rode the trainer's first winner, The Saint, at Windsor in 1955. GLASGOW-born Jock Wilson won some of the biggest handicaps in the Flat racing calendar during a riding career that spanned three decades. And, as another Royal Ascot draws to a close, his thoughts will go back to a haul that included the 1971 Royal Hunt Cup on 11-1 chance Picture Boy. Wilson, who turns 70 in September, also reeled in the 1964 Northumberland Plate on 28-1 outsider Peter Piper, the 1964 Cambridgeshire on Hasty Cloud, the 1965 Nunthorpe on Eddie Reavey's Polyfoto and the 1973 Portland Handicap on Supreme Gift. Paul Do you remember me asking who had the Stable at Bell Busk Skipton....it was Edward Gifford's yard....the guy who took over was L.Carrod...bet you've never heard of him.... I don't think he lasted very long. |
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Thanks Whitwhitlaw, how do you source the old racecards that you want or is it classified ?
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TMan, you guessed it, I've never heard of L Carrod. Good info on Jock Wilson. He made a rare visit to Catterick very early season late 60s for an Epsom based 2-y-o winner. It's name escapes me.
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PAULBU - Your 2-y-o was called Burning Soles
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