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I was at Ripon that day. There was a cracking handicap won by Jimsun who finished as fast as any horse I've seen (apart from Philoctetes in the Pitman's Derby) to win. Beat the likes of Warpath, Tom Noddy, Caius. Jimsun was good 'un.
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Paulbu, was Jimsun trained by Herbert Jones? Warpath was Sam Hall, Caius Denys Smith, Tom Noddy by Tommy Shedden? I think I was there as well
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Yeah,ran in the 2.50 Trained by Herbert Jones and ridden by Alec Russell,won the Joe coral h'cap over 1m2f
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snitram - Cauis was trained by T Fairhurst. The others are correct.
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Thanks Whit, old grey cells not as sharp as they used to be
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Thanks wee eck and whitwhitlaw
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Snitram, I thought that Caius was with Denys Smith but by this time was with 'Squeak'. Denys had it up to '72 and it won a few good handicaps. Your memory is spot on.
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Anyway lads, keep the thread going, I'm off to Australia for five weeks. See you next month.
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Paul
We'll miss your anecdotes a lot...have a great vacation. |
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agree paulbu about jimsun,a good horse,him & warpath of similar merit i think but i always preferred jimsun,remember caius,yellow with some black in the colours i think,can't remember the owner though.
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Have a good time PAULBU. You'll be back before you know it.
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have a great time paulbu ..thanks for all the imput...
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dose anyone remeber a Joke called dewey, they say he was real handy with a muck sack.
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Ahhh.....those were the days...........!
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Ribero1, you've a good memory, just dug out old race card (price 1/-, commentator Rawley Gilbert), Ponte June 19th 1970, Caius colours, canary, black striped sleeves, black cap, yellow spots, owner Mr J.B. Winter. Off to Oz.
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Reculver,On the Ripon meeting in 1975, was that the day Music Boy had its first Run? from memory it was a really hot day and Music Boy came into the paddock all rugged up, soon as rug came of he looked great, i ran to bookies and got i think about 3s, they smashed into him and he sauntered up with Johnny Seagrave on. I think he won the gimcrack that year.
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I haven't the time to go all the way through this most captivating of threads - well not all in one go - just a minor thing about the Currant brothers. They actually hail from the World's End Nursery end of the Kings Road so they are more Chelsea than Fulham. One of them, I think Bob, was in HK for some reason in the early or mid 90s and I enjoyed his company very much. Coincidentally Brian Rouse grew up on the Clem Attlee Estate which is in Fulham, just 800m from where the Currants hailed. I believe Brian's brother, (Vinnie?) still lives in the same apartment.
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Here are Denys Smith's comments about some of the jockeys that rode for him, from an interview in the RP a few years ago:-
The theme switches to jockeys. "Fletcher was top class, as hard as nails, just like Chris Grant. They both came here as 15-year-olds and I made 'em both from A to Z," says Smith, as the tack changes again to riders on the Flat. "Lindsay Charnock did really well here, and Willie McCaskill, a local lad, was a top-class apprentice, only I couldn't keep him off the drink. Johnny Seagrave and Jimmy Etherington rode a lot of winners for me, and so did Willie Carson and Lester Piggott. "Willie was good, but Lester was the best. When he rang up to ride one, you knew he fancied it. He won the William Hill Gold Cup at Redcar - a race I won four times - on Royal Prerogative, and also won on him at the Ayr Western meeting with 10st, dropping him in front on the line. "A funny thing was Lester riding a couple of winners for an owner of mine, a cattle-dealer, and asking me whether there might be a `drink' in it for him. I mentioned it to this fella, and he said: `Fuuck that, Piggott's got more money than me'. Lester just laughed when I told him!" |
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Great quotes from Denys Smith, was it him or Piggott who was married to the trainer Norma Macauley,I remeber reading it somewhere many years ago.
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^ Norma .... and Lester
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No,Piggott never married Norma Macauley,
 , he was married to Bella Emberg at the time,while Norma was With James Robertson Justice. |
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i thought Norma married Russel Price.
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what i forgot to add about that small part of west london - from the World's End Nurseries (where Bob and John Currant were born) on the Kings Rd to the Clem Attlee estate (where Brian Rouse grew up) in Fulham - is that there was a pub on the Fulham Rd, more or less 250 yards due north of the World's End Nurseries, called the Somerset Arms which was owned by a former Noel Murless apprentice and direct contemporary of Lester.
And Dale Tempest used to bet in the William Hills opposite the Chelsea ground! |
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Sooty,poor Russell, no wonder he had to have a light ale from time to time.
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he not a bad lad, sober, nobody perfect, tho some one here think they are.
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Agree sooty. only joking,didn't he make a come back last season.?
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i beleave he did.
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I didn't think that I would be able to access the forum from Oz, I had a week in Bergerac in August and Betfair is banned there.
Snitram, if you took 3s about Music Boy at Ripon first time he ran then 'you wuz robbed', SP was around 7s if I recall. Big drifter. Happy Valley. Talking of Brian Rouse, in the mid to late 60s he was an unfashionable jockey who didn't ride many winners but John Sutcliffe Jnr gave him a chance early 70s and he never looked backed. Stable liked a bet and Rouse rarely let them down. Very strong at around 7-12 and had a season or two with Ryan Price after Brian Taylor left. |
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What year did Move Off win the Ebor ? I am sure I can remember it beating one of my favourite horses Royal Match (Ryan Jarvi/Taffy Thomas) in the Zetland (?) at Redcar ...
Who became of the lad Neil Pollard who used to ride some of David Elsworth's lesser lights ? I beleive he used to go out with the lass who looked after Desert Orchid. |
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Music Boy, April 16 1975, won at 13-2 ((J.Seagrave)
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Move Of - Won the Ebor in 1977
4yr-8st-1lb - ridden by Jimmy Bleasdale, for Jack Calvert. |
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Thanks Onlooker ... for some bizarre reason the history of Ebor Winners I looked at online only went back to 1978 !!
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Move Off won the Andycap Handicap in 76.
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FRANKLY FOUR FINGERS - On Monday May 31 1976 Move Off won the Zetland Gold Cup ridden by Ray Still. Move Off came with a long run on the outside to beat Royal Match (M.L.Thomas) a length with Silver Steel two and a half lengths away in third. William Barker, owner of Move Off, was a joint master of the Zetland Hunt. Move Off was bred in Scorton, near Richmond.
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Move Off's pedigree - is one for 'old-timers'
Farm Walk (GB) (f) — Darling Do (GB) (Derring-Do (GB) (f)) |
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ops it was the Zetland Move Off won in 76. and he did beat Royal Match who had won the Rosebury Handicap before that at Kempton beaing the 50/1 outsider Whephen (nearly stole the race) and was 4th to Move Off in the Zeland, Royal Match may have done to much keeping closer to Whephen that day and got caught by Move Off, Royal Match went on to win at group3 leavel.
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Whit, Whephen was 4th.
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todays birthday showed this gem .....paul townend 22.....FORMER CHAMPION JUMP JOCKEY ....THEIR GETTING YOUNGER EVERY YEAR....
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Today’s birthdays:
G.P.Kelly, born this day in 1931. Under the name of A.Kelly, he rode his first winner (Felias) on Dec 5th 1953. Once went over 6 years without riding a winner. He proved equally unprofitable as a trainer, once training 57 consecutive losers. Any winners he had were ridden by Dale Gibson. Sam Hitchcott, born this day 1882. First ride was on Ertlon for Clive Brittain at Yarmouth on Weds May 31 2000 (finished 14th). His biggest win to date came on Samitar in the Tattersalls Millions at Newmarket 1st last year. Barry Geraghty, born this day in 1979. He rode his 1,000th Irish winner last Sunday. 100 Years Ago Weds. 16 Sept 1012 Warwick. Cylba, 7/2, ridden by Danny Maher, won the £300 Coventry Plate by a head from 7/4 fav Fiz Yama. It was Cylba’s tenth run of the season. 150 Years Ago Tues. 16 Sept 1862 2.30 Doncaster. The 4/5 fav Lord Clifden, ridden by George Fordham, won the Champagne Stakes by half-length from second favourite Armagnac, 5/1. After several false starts the favourite was badly away, but still won. |
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Thanks for info on Music Boy, i probably did take a stupid price
 I'still doing it thirty years later. Do you know what price he was in the gimcrack? I'm hoping somebody says 3/1 to save my blushes. |