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By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Sep 12 08:13
snitram - On Fri Aug 22 1975, Music Boy won the Gimcrack under J Seagrave at 14/1 beating Stand To Reason by a length. Galway Bay was third. Delta Song was the 6/1 favourite. 14 ran.
By:
koikeeper
When: 16 Sep 12 08:18
Whit, I think snitram was wanting to know the sp of Music Boy when it won 1st time out.
By:
Franky Four Fingers
When: 16 Sep 12 08:30
What became of the Northern Trainer Steve Norton and who used to ride for him ... I remember backing a horse of his one day College Chapel or Cottage Chapel or something like that,cannot remember the race but I know it got thrown out by the stewards.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Sep 12 09:05
koikeeper - I've already answered this one. 13/2. See yesterday's answers.
By:
clayfield1
When: 16 Sep 12 10:55
Think John Lowe used to ride a lot for Steve Norton at one time. Don't know what became of the trainer.
By:
sooty1
When: 16 Sep 12 11:01
WARNING WARNING Whit, don't upset Koiboy, he too nice!!!
By:
koikeeper
When: 16 Sep 12 11:04
sooty, always ruining the threads..I will leave it at, that otherwise it will get out of hand & another thread taken over with insults.
By:
sooty1
When: 16 Sep 12 11:04
clayfiend, i'm sure John Lowe did ride a good horse for Steve Norton in the Irish 2,000Gs Full Extent. he did ride Full Extent, and pretty sure Steve Norton trained him.
By:
sooty1
When: 16 Sep 12 11:06
Hi Koi, been manipulating any social websites lately.Love
By:
clayfield1
When: 16 Sep 12 11:08
sooty think your right.
By:
sooty1
When: 16 Sep 12 11:11
sorry about bring Koiboy on to this forum, he stalks me when he see my name come up.Sadi have begged him to leave me alone, he can not be of sound mind, i hope someone can help him,
By:
kirschingaround
When: 16 Sep 12 12:00
Lovely to be told that Willie Snaith was well enough to come home from hospital last week...  Happy
By:
workrider
When: 16 Sep 12 12:11
a nice touch kirschingsround ....
By:
PAULBU
When: 16 Sep 12 12:18
Frankly Four Fingers, As I Posted last week, Neil Crowther who had been a claimer with Jeremy Hindley moved north to become stable jockey with Steve Norton at one stage. Rode most of Steve's winners for a couple of seasons.
By:
flyingbolt
When: 16 Sep 12 12:22
Steve Norton died many years ago.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Sep 12 12:28
paulbu , over on the irish forum one  of the lads brought up a thread about nijinsky winning the national stakes 43 yrs ago yesterday ..i know i was at the curragh the day nijinsky made his debut , think i might have got 10/11 1/1  early about him that day...would you possibly have any info on the card that day ..i have in my mind a certain race were i seem to remember two horses NOR , DERRYANNE , been involved on the card ..the old cobweds playing tricks again maybe ....
By:
ged
When: 16 Sep 12 12:38
Nijinsky didn't win the National Stakes. He won the Erne, Railway, Anglesey and Beresford Stakes.
By:
ged
When: 16 Sep 12 12:41
Decies won the National Stakes in '69.
By:
ged
When: 16 Sep 12 12:45
His first race (the Erne) was July 12. He started 4-11 in a field of 5.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 16 Sep 12 12:49
Re willie Snaith

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This from a few weeks ago.


SILVIA Snaith, the wife of racing legend Willie Snaith, has died.

Her son, John, confirmed the news yesterday.

She was the daughter of well-known town trainer R A Jones, and first spotted up-and-coming jockey Willie when he was an apprentice to Sam Armstrong in 1949.

Silvia and Willie married in All Saints Church and celebrated their Diamond Wedding last September.

The couple have always lived in Newmarket, initially at Hamilton House in Hamilton Road and later at Warren Place where Willie rode for Sir Noel Murless and was later a valued work rider for Henry Cecil.

They settled in Heath Road, overlooking the Warren Hill and Side Hill gallops.

Silvia worked as second chef at the Rutland Arms hotel for 20 years, before retiring.

She leaves behind husband Willie, two sons, John and Derek, a daughter Helen, eight grandchildren and two great grandchildren.

For a full report, see the Newmarket Journal on Thursday, August 16.
By:
ged
When: 16 Sep 12 12:55
There's a Willie Snaith Road in Newmarket.
By:
ged
When: 16 Sep 12 13:01
workrider - Nor was the same age as Nijinsky. As a 3yo he was 2nd to Riboprince in the Blandford, and last of 3 to Connaught and Karabas (both 5yo) in the Eclipse at Sandown, trained by Paddy Mullins and ridden by Bill Williamson.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Sep 12 13:24
thanks ged ,i knew he was the same age , just trying to find out why he sticks out in my mind , along with derryanne , for some reason i seem to attach my memories of nijinskys 2yo race at the curragh with them both...i was just wondering if they ran on the same card that day ..it was the first time i'd brought my girlfriend racing so maybe my mind was elsewere...Laugh
By:
Blackrock
When: 16 Sep 12 13:45
The legend that was Nijinsky. Still the best flat horse ive seen. Wish Vincent had bypassed the Leger after his bout of ringworm, and gone straight to the Arc. Win that as he would have. and no need to take in the Champion then.
Retires as the greatest ever inc a certain colt trained by Mr Cecil. Simple as that.Wink
By:
workrider
When: 16 Sep 12 13:49
agree blackrock , should have won the arc , lesters one bad ride on the horse ..a monster...
By:
onlooker
When: 16 Sep 12 14:51
flyingbolt     16 Sep 12 12:22 
Steve Norton died many years ago
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Any idea what sort of age.

He could not have been 'that' old - if it was, "many years ago" -

- an illness, perhaps?
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Sep 12 05:22
Today’s Birthdays:
Peter Boothman – 70 years old today. Champion apprentice of 1958. Riding Masquerade in the 1959 City & Suburban, he was thrown heavily when his confused mount tried to run through a gap in the rails ( a path crossing the course from the cheaper enclosure to the centre). Peter escaped serious injury but the horse was put down. D.V. Dick had been badly injured in a similar accident at Cheltenham years earlier. Peter’s first ride was on the Aga Khan’s Dutton trained by H. Wragg on Friday May 10th 1957.
Hawick-born Wilson Renwick, born this day 1980. The son of a joiner and a florist, he was the rider of Northumberland National winner Belon Gale.
150 Years Ago Today –  2.45. Weds. 17 Sept 1862. The Marquis (7/2) beat the favourite Buckstone (10/3) a head to win the St Leger. Time: 3 minutes 21 seconds. Time of Saurday’s Leger: 3 minutes 3.81 seconds – same distance.
By:
ribero1
When: 17 Sep 12 09:54
onlooker,i was thinking the same re steve norton,can't recall anything about his apparent demise,he was always a bit of a character and a lot of his owners used to like to enjoy themselves,sandy brook was one of the gang and used to ride in a few ladies races didn't she.something seems to tell me norton went skint and hopped off to the states,maybe thats why i can't recall his passing?
By:
ged
When: 17 Sep 12 11:04
The Marquis failed by a neck to win the triple crown, as that was the distance he was beaten in the Derby. He'd won the 2000gns.

He was beaten in the Derby by Caractacus, who, PRIOR to the Derby (June 4), had been beaten a head in the Great Met at Epsom, ran 2nd at Newmarket, ran unplaced in the Chester Cup, finished 3rd in a handicap at York, then finally broke his maiden in a handicap at Bath carrying 5st 10lb. The Marquis went off 5/2 fav at Epsom; Caractacus started at 40/1. 34 ran, there were 3 false starts, and when they finally got away, only 3 of the runners started from the correct place - the other 31 got away ahead of them. The starter received a reprimand from the stewards, and a final warning, but kept his job for another 20 years.
By:
Mister E
When: 17 Sep 12 11:12
WHITWHITLaw,

great thread. Peter Boothman was champon apprentice the year Brian Jago was runner up. It was close going to the wire.
Re Dave Dick, I never met him but met his sister Judy, about 8 years ago. She gave me some lovely photos, and had some great stories to tell. She was too old to be a jockette, I think she had a mount or two; but those who know tell me she would have been different class.
By:
Mister E
When: 17 Sep 12 11:14
workrider
re Nijinsky i always said I would never see another one. travelled to donny on saturday in hope; but i was right.
Went to Laytown last week,..great experience.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 17 Sep 12 11:18
Re Steve Norton...I asked the Racing in Yorkshire website here's the reply.


Norton trained at High Hoyland, near Barnsley, rather than Malton. He retired in 1996 and now (recent quote in Racing Post) "has nothing to do with racing". His nephew John Norton still trains in the same area.
By:
ribero1
When: 17 Sep 12 11:42
thanks TM.
By:
workrider
When: 17 Sep 12 13:15
mister e glad you enjoyed laytown ..it could only happen in ireland.....Laugh...i was asking earlier for some answers re two horses i thought ran at the curragh the same day as the great one...i.e.....nijinsky ...horse were NOR...DERRYANNE ..just wondering if you'd have any info on that ...tia...have to pop out for a couple of hours....
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 18 Sep 12 06:12
Today's Birthdays:
Geoff Baxter born this day 1946. Rode Prominent, winner of Magnet Cup, 71 and 72.

Also Ryan Moore celebrates his birthday today.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 18 Sep 12 07:34
Frankly Four Fingers - Neil Pollard teaches youngsters to ride at the Northern Racing College in Doncaster.
His racing record reads as follows:
Won – 104. Placed 285. Starts 2,340.
First ride came on Double Blue at Lingfield Sat June 1st 1996 (unplaced). Last ride Diamond Duchess at Nottingham July 2009 (66/1, unplaced).
By:
mange
When: 18 Sep 12 07:38
Didnt he have a break........then David Elsworth used to put him up ?
By:
reculver
When: 18 Sep 12 10:27
Gave Lear spear a great ride in the cambridgeshire
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 18 Sep 12 12:18
Re...... Neil Pollard....riding out at Godolphin now....I think if there was a will and a way he is young enough to give it another go.

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AFTER the recent success of Tha'ir in the Chesham Stakes at Royal Ascot, winning trainer Saeed Bin Suroor remarked that the colt's work in the build-up to the race had left his work-rider of the opinion that he'd improved significantly from his maiden success and that he'd be capable of giving a good account.

What the trainer failed to disclose was that the work-rider was a Royal Ascot-winning jockey himself - no wonder confidence was high. The work-rider in question is Neil Pollard, who as a 3lb claimer guided Showboat to a wide-margin success in the 1999 Royal Hunt Cup.

Pollard, now 34, turned his back on race-riding in 2009 but didn't walk away from racing and for the last two and a half years has been an integral part of the Godolphin operation.

"I was struggling to get rides," says Pollard. "There comes a day that you realise you've got to earn money and make a proper living and those were the reasons I gave up."

Having started his career with Mark Johnston, Pollard became apprentice to David Elsworth and enjoyed notable success.

He says: "I won the Lester award in 1998 for apprentice of the year off the back of a really good season for David, which culminated in winning the Cambridgeshire on Lear Spear. The following year I won the Royal Hunt Cup for another good supporter of mine, Barry Hills, and in 2000 I even rode in the Dubai World Cup."

Pollard struggled when losing his claim and in 2005 made the decision to try his luck in the north. "It just didn't work out," he says. "The northern jockeys work very hard and deserve their contacts - i t's hard to establish yourself up there."

Pollard first called it a day in 2007 but Elsworth, who had by then relocated from Hampshire to Newmarket, encouraged him to give it one last go. "I had a few rides for David but it was difficult for me to get going again. I then had a couple of nasty injuries and that ruled me out for the winter and my time had effectively gone."

Pollard finally called time in 2009, deciding to become an instructor at the Northern Racing College, a job he "really enjoyed", although one that didn't last for long. He says: "I was instructing one day when I got a call from someone I used to work with at David Elsworth's. He said there's a job going with Godolphin, which was quite rare and when I was offered it I could hardly turn it down."

Of his current role, Pollard says: "As far as stable lads and work-riders go we're very lucky. The horses are well looked after at Godolphin and in turn so are the staff. I ride my two or three lots a day and I really enjoy it. I've been working with the two-year-olds this season and it was a real highlight to get the Ascot winner."

Name Neil Pollard Age 34 When at large 1996-2009 Greatest achievement "Winning the Lester award in 1998 for apprentice jockey of the year. Not many people have them and it's something I will always cherish."

Best moment in the saddle "Riding Showboat to victory in the Royal Hunt Cup was amazing."
By:
onlooker
When: 18 Sep 12 12:33
Speaking of Steve Norton -

I see from Horses In Training 1980 - that his retained Jockeys were John Bourke (NHunt) and G Graham (NH) - with first claim on Neil Crowther (Flat)

Crowther was listed at 8st 5lb - so I would imagine weight became an issue - as he had been a 5lb claiming 7st 11lb Apprentice with Jeremy Hindley in 1975 - having ridden 24 winners in 1974.
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