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Very difficult quiz question for the old-timers
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I was there that day. Up on the hill. Backed Selkirk. Same day as Lochsong's Stewards Cup?
Also remember being at Newbury backing Shaab in the last race of the day - 2 mile hcap. |
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Going to show my age here but I can remember Carson going through the rails that day.
Onlooker is there anywhere online to get results from that far back? I must have too much time on my hands but can anyone name the first trainer of Chaplins Club? Sam |
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Was it Ian Walker?
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You're right ged. Chaplins Club was trained as a 2-y-o in 1982 by Walker.
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You get a point for that one mate - not sure if he officially one a race with it - I seem to remember betting it when it won and got disqualified? - think the saddle slipped.
Whatever happened to him? Next one is what was the horse that he trained that went on to much better things when it went to Cecil? Sam |
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Was it a Beldale?
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Think that was supposed to say won one race
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He trained a horse called Deep something that used to win repeatedly at Haydock over about 10f at the back end of the season on soft ground.
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Nope - don't quote me on this but think it won Spring Cup - then Lockinge and a few other group races - Charles St Geoerge bought it out of walkers.
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Belmont Bay
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One point again - well done
Sam |
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The Deep one I think was probably Deep River - seem to remember my dad having it Ante Post for the 79 Novemeber Handicap - also first three up in his yankee at good prices waiting for it as well.
From memory Eddery rode it that day - came there cruising El Gran Senor style - Carson came late and nailed him on the line on Morse Code? Think Eddery fell off after the line and broke his thumb - you can imagine what my dad would have broke. Sam |
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Belmont Bay won his last 2 races as a 2yo.
Then as a 3yo, he won the race following the July Cup. Then just over a week later he won again at Newmarket. So it looks like he was a progressive horse for Walker, but went to Cecil as a 4yo. Won the Queen Anne as well as the Lockinge. |
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Did Ian Walker have many good horses years ago?
It's most unfortunate to have lost Belmont Bay & Chaplin's Club Looks like Ian Williams is taking over his 'unlucky' mantle nowadays, in having his best horses removed. Weird Al & Ile De Re would be tough for ANY stable to lose...never mind a small outfit! The big boys ALWAYS get the rub of the green  |
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Again from memory I think Belmont Bay finished 2nd as 2-y-o at Chester for Walker after being left 20 lengths at the start - maybe ran in the Gimcrack too - Think I bet it in the Brittania as a 3-y-o and the William Hill Redcar Gold Cup.
Did it win the Spring Cup at Newbury as a 4-y-o? Sam |
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that was deep river ged,a poor man's sea pigeon,needed holding up until late,should have won the november handicap but eddery rode a rare poor race,got there far too soon (would have been 1.01 to plenty) and allowed morse code ridden by paul cook to get back and do him near the line,i still feel the pain to this day!
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Thought it was Carson on Morse Code mate?
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crikey big sam,didn't see your post,lol,spot bloody on!
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still think it was paul cook sam although you could be right as it was trained by dunlop,i watched it with a mate,he said it's p1ssed in i said no he's got there too soon,he really should have won easy,i too was furious.
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Had a share in a horse with Ian Walker late 70's, a nice guy, but was a hopeless tipster, especially of his own horses...!
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Cecil didn't get many horses from other trainers, but when he did, they were transformed.
Remember Gunner B when Geoff Toft had it? Fiddling around in top Northern handicaps, being laid out every year for that 12f conditions race they used to have at Beverley (the Watt Memorial Stakes??). Then Cecil got it as a 5yo and discovered it was one of the best 10f horses in Europe, completing a four-timer in the Eclipse. How many other top-class horses never realize their potential on account of being trained by "shrewdies"? |
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Pat Eddery gets nothing but praise as a jockey, but for me he lost 3 Derbies he should have won - El Gran Senor, Great Gatsby, and Silver Patriarch. I admit I'm pocket talking on the last 2, and I think only Great Gatsby of the 3 was actually a poor ride (and then only his urge to blast for home 3 out!!).
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My dads got dementia mate but he can still remember that race.
I have no idea what happened to Ian Walker after he gave up training - I would have to say Belmont Bay and Chaplins Club improved after leaving him - again I'm not sure if Saville owned Chaplins Club when it was with Walker. The jockeys he used back then were Bruce Raymond - Paul Madden - Paul Colquhoun(apprentice) - Tony Clarke(apprentice)? - John Fortune (apprentice). I know what some of them are doing now - some not Sam |
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Walker also trained a handicapper called Mousehold who won races at Thirsk and Ayr in 1980 ridden by 7 lb claimer Jimmy Fortune on both occasions.
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Sorry John Fortune.
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Cork Langer - we had a share in one with him too end of the seventies - since this started out as a quiz did it begin with a C or an M ?
You're right awful tipster Sam |
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When my dad got dementia, he could barely remember his own name, yet he never stopped talking about that **** Dunwoody decking West Tip while leading at second Becher's. The horse had 10 stone and my dad had a 33/1 voucher.
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Big Sam, our horse started with a D, if it had been called Donkey it would not have been badly named...!
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Pauli that's the one we had a share in - won at Doncaster as a 3-y-o too - was a good day when it won the last at Ayr - John Fortune was from Old Kilpatrick in Scotland I think.
Sam |
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Can remember - Conflict - Kingsbere? - Lend An Ear? but not one beginning with a D?
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"SFBTW - Cecil didn't get many horses from other trainers, but when he did, they were transformed"
There really weren't that many 'transfers' to Cecil but there was a very notable one from none other than Vincent O'Brien would you believe!  Who can remember this horse (who had temperament issues) and its owner? Further to your point...I can't remember an ex-Cecil horse actually winning, never mind improving after leaving Warren Place! He probably gets every ounce out of them. |
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Happy memories for you there sam.
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The name was Doikas, a horse of very limited ability, had countless places but couldn't manage a victory, we cut our losses when it failed as a 5yo as well
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It's accidentally turned into a smashing thread for some of you old timers involved in owning nondescript rags from yesteryear, that only YOU can remember.
As Pauli says...it must be evoking some great memories for some of you  |
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Lend An Ear was owned (in part at least) by Wilfred Hyde-White I think?
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Cecil took over both Buckskin and Ardross? (the latter from an Irish trainer?)
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Back in the day Foetus when you could actually get a decent bet on - I was only seventeen mate - not old enough to bet or drink champagne
 - rails bookie tried to pay me out 200 quid short at Ayr that day.Doikas I vaguely remember going close at Yarmouth one day? Sam |
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Ardross was Prendergast Ged...have you got the O'Brien one?
I didn't know about Buckskin being trained elsewhere, as it was just before my time |
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Foetus - there'd be a few that have won after leaving him (Barodine for one, at a lowly level - probably more famous for giving a one-time one-eared jockey his first ride), and probably a few that have improved, but not at a high level.
Buckskin was moved around due to Wildenstein's inability to get on with a trainer for very long. He was French-trained to start with. |
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Where did Buckskin come from?
I seem to remember he had some winning French form (and he was Wildenstein's) but the vague recollections I have of him, were of the bandages on his legs, which were blue if I remember right. He was a horse I never saw the best of but his reputation preceded him - what an incredible era for stayers that was...Sagaro, followed by Buckskin, Le Moss and then Ardross! Yeats wouldn't have been sighted! |