I said Mormon, not moron, and that was a gag. I accept your
apology sir. thank you. My adjective describing you as clueless, was uttered due to frustration
and nothing more. I too apologize.

thanks brother, I'm not a mormon.
I'm a devote atheist. (thank god)

Knowing how easy it is to decline a good offer when you are not actually 'on fire' I think, in your interest, I will wait until the required moment then, if you still will not accept my offer, I will rightly reconsider my position.

I care not Mot. I made an offer in good faith considering it was you who, in fact, made the first insult and that is where I will leave it.

The reason it is much harder today is that veterinary science and training are far higher generally thereby making racing generally more competitive. Its also much more widespread now to have international competition.

People like Vincent O Brien and Martin Pipe exploited a significant advantage in their knowledge of training techniques which has now levelled off around the world.

Ergo Group Flat races are harder to win - ignore the 'creep' of new ones - just focus on the properly contested traditional ones.

I would take it as an insult if i was ever unfortunate enough to catch fire if somene then came along and urinated on me....

You obviously have an itch Motley and I am not about to scratch it for you. However as you were the first to insult me if you retract that insult and apologise then I will certainly do likewise. I cannot be fairer than that.

Thought the C4 interview with Joe Mercer interesting. Joe was throughout my youth my favourite jockey and would put him in the top 3 I've seen in the UK along with Piggott and the incomparable Steve Cauthen. I have the upmost respect for Joe as a wonderful judge.

C4 interviewed Joe last year, and surprising to me said, "Frankel would have made a great lead horse". His view this year has become too close to call.

What really thrilled me about the Joe Mercer interview was when he was asked about Kris. I'm too young to have clear memories of the Brig, to my eyes(pre-Frankel) Kris was THE best horse I'd seen over any trip and Joe waxed lyrical about his brilliance and how close he was to the Brigadier.

Joe was also of the opinion that Frankel will stay 10F standing on his head. Twelve maybe a different story. Joe said the Brig was out on his feet in the last 2F of the KG and courage got him home.

Joe Mercer, who rode Brigadier Gerard and Kris, interviewed on C4 racing

When asked about Kris and Brigadier Gerard he said 'He wasn't far behind him I can assure you' that is exactly what Joe said, and that would be right. Timeform rated BG 3 lengths better than Kris (who won 14 from 16 races). Where I disagree with Timeform is that they have Excelebration only 2lbs behind Kris.

He also said, when asked about Frankel 'The press say he is the greatest racehorse in the world, I doubt that. But he is one of the very best we will ever see, that's for sure.'

And when asked if BG met Frankel in the Sussex he said 'It would be very close, exciting and very close.'

And he also said 'he (Frankel)will get 10f standing on his head but 12f, no way'.

He then went on to say that BG was out on his feet two out in the King George only courage and determination saw him through and that he was a very sick horse at York. But when dropped back to a mile after York he won the QE11 in possibly the fastest time it has ever been run in and broke the course record.

Joe and I have always disagreed about the KG. The press had interviewed Hern after the race and he said, because BG had never really seen the whip, 'to give him a reminder if he showed any signs of running lazily but he (Joe Mercer) needed to do no more than swing his whip at him and gave him one slap when he passed Parnell below the distance'.

I personally believe had he not stayed he wouldn't have won. He had the Irish St Leger winner (Timeform rated Champion stayer), Irish Derby winner, the unbeaten in 9 races Italian Derby winner, unbeaten in 4 races that year and never beaten by a French horse French Guineas winner, the Ormonde and Hardwick Stakes winner well behind. The Hardwick winner alone had just beaten the Arc 3rd and the St Leger winner easily.
Also he was drawn in stall 1 and had to race throughout up to 4 horses wide, he had to quicken at least twice the first time to get in behind Parnell where he took a pull, and it was on rain softened PLUS he got within 3 tenths of Mill Reef's course record set the year before and BG was carrying 14lbs more. He stayed alright.

And lets not forget this was his 5th race in 9 weeks. He had just won the Prince of Wales at Royal Ascot in course record time by 5 lengths giving 19lbs to the Irish Derby winner and the Eclipse in desperately heavy ground.

Oh turn it off will you brigust, you relentless, one dimensional, tedious boring man.
You need some form of help.

Oh have you now returned to the forum then? I thought you decided to retire, will you be continuing to
post that you will be p-ssing on people here, if they catch fire eh, what has that to do with racing matters eh.
You twisted little man.

I just want to make it perfectly clear....for the avoidance of doubt......that if i ever do catch fire.....i do NOT wish anybody to urinate on me.

*apologise ffs.....

The ruling of Mac Solomon 99

motley...Brigust has no need to apologize you you , you indulged in a calculated verbal mugging, if you pull a monkey by the tail then do not be surprised if the monkey  turns  with bare teeth to bite you in the face ,Brigust  may simply want to withdraw the remarks,  this should be enough for you as you meant to attack  and humiliate  there is no doubt about that

Brigust ...why would  MR  Mellish not wear  with pride a tie given to him  H Cecil  , they are about the same age  I for one would  gladly wear such a tie and would not be shy about  telling the tale  of how i came to have it my possession , did the tie not send the beautiful
eyes of lydia  a rolling ...don't be so po faced

Mac I was speaking metaphorically about the tie. Of course he should wear it with pride, I would. But, as I said, it was a reference to Cecil training Frankel and SM talking about Frankel and SM wearing one of the ties HAC gave to him. A metaphorical figure of speech. I actually like SM and Lydia I was just annoyed at him saying I was blind.

ps  Frankel would beat the Brigadier imo

You are indeed welcome to your opinion Mac although I disagree with you.

And can I say to Motley I am sorry I insulted him. This forum is bigger than me and I do not want to spoil everyone else's pleasure with a drawn about session of abuses. It would be wrong of me to watch someone fester over something I have said even if it was in retaliation to what was originally said to me. It is a great pity this forum is annonymous and allows these things to happen so as I said earlier I withdraw my insults to Motley and apologise for any upset they may have caused.

Oh I was just getting started, not to worry. Ok Brig, apology accepted. Thank you

Tony Morris thought that aswell UNTIL he saw Frankel.

I don't care for others opinions I have two (reasonably working) eyes. I think Tony Morris is a better judge than Howard Wright but I think I am the best judge I have ever seen that's why I don't read tipsters , don't listen to trainers and ignore anything other than my own interpretation of events.

What's important is what you think and you have very informed opinions which i respect. Its just that you are evangelical to the point of nausea on this subject.

GL today btw.

You are probably correct Hip I am pretty enthusiatic about BG. But from my point of view you have to consider that there are 10 times as many threads about Frankel and maybe I think it has reached a point of nausea.
And GL to you too.