I do hope you have not included me in the equation Ilwab. I'm a mormon, I can't tell a lie

1m6f =2m YDC

That was not a mistake - he was attempting to ridicule me for politely pointing out to another poster that the Melbourne Cup is run over 2m rather than 1m6f.

It was nasty and vicious and it backfired.

He also claimed to be running a business employing 52 people when in actual fact he is a graduate who cant get a job. That is some pretty sad stuff.

Anyway I have blocked him now so that's that.

It was a decent thread until you started spouting the assertion that no horse could be termed a champion unless it had won over a variety of distances.

Ergo in your eyes Shergar, Dayjur Big Buck's, Denman , Istabraaq, Sea Pigeon , Yeats and presumably Frankel cannot be considered great horses.

Fecktard.

i agree with Jonny

oh deer

Your Dad seems a fine lad from this picture. He must be gutted you can't get a job. Stain on the family.

D O L E

I do actually have a nice vegetable patch.

The spuds have been good this year.

ll done Duncan. I was boring myself back there for a while.

Time to move on.

'All'

get a ******g life priest anyone with eyes knows the artist formerly known as ilikewavingatbuses has had your pants right down all week pmsl

id like to reply but hes 'blocked' me the little shirt lifter. sick of destroying the little mug and now hes paranoid im somebody else

ive been winning these battles for years and hes the weakest ive seen, he keeps logging off, im going to destroy him tomorrow but he wont see because im 'blocked' sad little lettuce grower

C'mon you guys. Isn't it about time we started to get on with one another? I left the thread because it was descending into the usual abuse and insults and then it just got worse and worse.

Try to remember this is a horse racing forum where like minded folk get together to discuss horse racing matters. No-one gains when posters are accused of being 'clueless' or a 'moron'. If you disagree with another poster's ideas then just say so using sensible and respectful language. It really isn't difficult and everyone gains. If someone makes a mistake just point it out properly and respectfully, that way we all get on. Can you imagine what this forum would look like to an outsider with all of the rubbish going on?

That is why I left because I really don't want to leave myself open to abuse and ridicule all of the time by a bunch of yobs. I make mistakes like everyone else, I have my views and an opinion, like everyone else and I am wrong, just like everyone else.

So just imagine you are standing in the pub with a group of mates discussing something you all enjoy. I'm sure, hopefully, you would show a little more respect if that was the case. If not then don't come onto these threads ruining them for everyone else.

If that can be achieved then this forum will be a joy to behold and will be frequented by lots of genuine horse racing folk where proper discussions can take place and lot of fun can be had, but not at the expense of others.

It is conceivable thinking about how the race will pan out that Frankel can improve its mark today.

I agree with Brigust, only read the first couple of pages mind but he makes some wonderful points such as the one below.
"Brigadier Gerard, like Frankel was unbeaten over a mile and beat a great horse in Mill Reef at level weights. Can you match that?"

How can you argue with that when, as Brigust says, Mill Reef won 10 Gr 1's at a time when there were far fewer of them.

I have to disagree with your comment about 'much, much harder'. In the early 70's there was only one Group 1 race over a mile barring the 2000 Guineas and that was the Sussex Stakes. In all of the other mile races like Lockinge, Queen Anne and QE11, the classic winner or Group 1 winner had to give penalties to his rivals. How can that be easier? When BG won the QE11 in '72 he had to give 7lbs to Sparkler who had just won the Queen Anne carrying 9st 8lb with the second horse, the favourite, only carrying 8st 10lbs. Imagine how easily Sparkler would have won off level weights. BG then beat Sparkler 6 lengths in course record time.
When BG won the Lockinge he had to give 22lbs to the second horse. In fact many of these races like the Lockinge, Queen Anne and Prince of Wales are for 4 and upwards. Therefore even removing the weight for age allowance.
When BG won the POW he gave 19lbs and a 5 length beating to that year's Irish Derby winner.
Cannot possibly be harder today.

When BG won the Lockinge he had to give 22lbs to the second horse. In fact many of these races like the Lockinge, Queen Anne and Prince of Wales are for 4 and upwards. Therefore even removing the weight for age allowance.


so what was the 22lb if not WFA? 22lb of penalties?!

You are correct Motley. It is difficult not to get caught up in the abuse when a civil discussion is much more sensible and actually gets somewhere.
I won't apoligise for calling you a moron because, in your own words, you are a self confessed moron. But I will apologise for saying I would not p i ss on you if you were on fire. If you were on fire of course I would.

Haven't read all of this thread but have no doubts whatsoever that over a mile Frankel is easily the best we've ever seen. In fact I find it remarkable that people can't see that. In many ways his greatest problem is that he does it so easily so that when other very good horses look laboured people say they ran below form with no real evidence.

Whether this makes him the greatest ever is debatable as versatility is clearly a factor in deciding greatness. However, if anyone seriously thinks that Brigadier Gerard, Dancing Brave etc would have beaten Frankel over a mile they need to stick to watching racing for enjoyment and certainly not betting on it.

Why Does Asparagus Make Some People's Urine Smell Funny?

Good question.