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FRANKEL RUNS IMPOSSIBLY FAST.
FRANKEL RUNS IMPOSSIBLY FAST.
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another ejaculation fest here at the hands of t-t
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btw mugs, horses only hang out for 2 reasons, they're injured or they are very new to racing and don't know what is being asked of them
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Oh dear
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Utter drivel from Ed as usual.
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Up early for a scrap tt
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Not gone to bed yet Mr Tiger
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Study done,off to bed now.
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Study starting sweet dreams Max
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Frankel is 1/8 to win the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot and whilst he will probably win easily he will actually not enhance his reputation in any way. If he is going to do that he needs to step up in trip and race against sterner opposition than just his own pacemaker. Don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to seeing him again, but it is not going to be a horse race, rather an exercise gallop. Brigadier Gerrard went to all the big meetings and won 17 of his 18 races from six furlongs to a mile and a half beating top class horses such as Mill Reef as he went along. Such achievements make him a great champion, Frankel needs to do similar if he is really worthy of being called great. ANGUS MCNAE.
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BC will bolt up.Frankel will probably win easily in an exercise gallop.Gotta love this clown.
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Have a look for yourself TT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOOoh3UPujU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2j2JvPa-UE |
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Seen it all before and i would never disrespect such a great horse.He was my father's favourite horse.Mac on the other hand does.
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Didn't Dylan Thomas have to survive a stewards' when he won the Arc after drifting across the course and into the rail? Which category from injured or didn't know what was being asked of him did he come under? How about Workforce in the King George too for that matter?
Canford Cliffs must have been injured or didn't know what was being asked of him in in a few of his races then, despite winning on debut and Hannon's 2YOs are usually well forward and know their job with many being able to win FTO, just as CC did and his 2 today also did in the first 2 races. |
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I don't care if king henry the 16th is training the horse, 2YO's will hang out no matter what if they're new to the caper, not every 2YO but it's a common trait, far more common in 2YO's then any other type of horse
I didn't see the races, don't know the conditions and what caused it, I probably could of worded it better, of course there are other factors but it happens a lot to horses who are injured, especially seasoned horses, why do YOU think the horse wanted to hang? really I don't care why the horse wanted to hang, I just think it's ludicrous you completely palm off the possibility based on a quick race report there's a fair chance if the horse was retired after the race and reports were the horse was injured, then perhaps he hung out because he was injured? just because a race report doesn't declare the horse hanging due to injury doesn't mean it wasn't the case, form analysts aren't known to be vets |
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I didn't see the races.Uninformed comment then,no good to anyone is it?
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I seen the Canford Cliffs race, not the Dylan Thomas race or the Workforce King George
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All of his races?If you had you would know he had done it before.
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there's always a reason for it, it's not just a habit
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educeee • June 14, 2012 2:49 PM BST
I don't care if king henry the 16th is training the horse, 2YO's will hang out no matter what if they're new to the caper, not every 2YO but it's a common trait, far more common in 2YO's then any other type of horse a quick search on RI of horses earning comment in running of %hung% doesn't support your assumption i'm afraid ... last flat turf season 2yo's earned the comment 5.083% as oppose to 5.183% of 3yo's earning the same comment |
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Yes but we are not only talking about 2YOs here, we are talking about experienced older horses like Canford Cliffs, Dylan Thomas and Workforce and any number of other horses that have drifted for any number of reasons that were neither injured nor didn't know what was being asked of them.
The point being made is they aren't the only reasons why a horse will drift, they are certainly 2 of them but 2 of many. The only reason I mentioned Hannon and 2YOs is even if we gave "didn't know what was being asked of him" for the reason for CC drifting as a 2YO (although I was pointing out Hannon's tend to know the score anyway) what was the reason other than being put under pressure and so beaten when drifting as a 3 and 4YO? CC drifted away from the whip in it's 2YO race, which is another reason horses drift but the jockey didn't bother trying to straighten him as he won by 6L anyway and knew that the rail would keep the horse straight once he reached it and was only a few horse's widths off the rail anyway. CC drifting behind Frankel was because Frankel broke him and put him under pressure after having been cruising with 3f to go and then Frankel kicked. There was no injury, just a "slight shadow" on a bone scan that they said "might" lead to an injury.......and you can bet your life they didn't ask for scans when the horse was drifting in it's earlier races and especially not when drifting and still winning. |
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Exactly,no injury.Just protecting his reputation.
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I can't cop that, hung out because "Frankel broke him", is that the only time he's been beaten?
did he hang the times he was beaten? the only horse broken in that race was Rewilding |
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i've seen alot of races, too many races probably
i've never seen a horse hang purely because the winner was going too good it would have to be a first, I don't know Hannon, don't know what kinda guy he is but surely when he says the horse hung because he was injured, he must have been injured |
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I think you are getting your races mixed up there but fair enough, you are talking about UK racing and that might not be your stronger point in comparison to Aussie racing.
Canford Cliffs has hung before when beaten on at least 2 other occasions before facing Frankel and my assertion is that he's a bridle horse that wins well when he can do it easily by cruising for most of the race and then one burst of speed for say a furlong or so and sometime even less. If he's put under pressure then I feel he tends to hang and because Frankel went for it from around 3f out, he "broke" CC as in broke his heart or spirit, I don't mean he caused him to physically break down. Rewilding broke down in the KG but that was a different race and ironically was the same one Workforce drifted across the track during. |
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perhaps his hanging is a result of resenting the whip?
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No,drifted under hand riding.
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Ima, when a horse does something like 'hanging' it is usually because something is hurting them. That is something often refered to by trainers. These things don't always show up until serious pressure is applied. In some instances, like Rewilding or even Detroit City, something just gives.
When John Gosden grabbed Rewilding, who had broken his leg, JG said the horse doesn't feel anything because of the adrenalin. So for a horse to hang seriously the pain must be pretty severe. |
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Well,he must be a miracle horse then,being in pain from 2yrs onwards.
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Why do they run on Lasix in the US then Trig? Come on, be sensible.
Maybe, just maybe Goodwood doesn't suit him with the undulations. He won easily the first time he ran there but, like they say about Epsom, often they only run on it once. CC's other races were all on stiff flat tracks. Except Newmarket where, even there, apparently he got unbalanced running into the dip. |
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be sensible
not even if he tried.... beyond him |
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Well he wasn't on Lasix.
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Maybe it didn't suit,but that just backs up my point that he wasn't injured.
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But again brigust1 injury is just one of many reasons for a horse to hang and if it was the first and only time Canford Cliffs had done that then fair enough but it wasn't and he had done so a few times before, usually when beaten and therefore taken out of his comfort zone. Like I asked earlier, why didn't they scan the horse the other times it did it and why didn't Hughes dismount or pull up if there was any obvious injury?
When you have the trainer telling the racing world this is the best horse he's had in 40 years and it then gets annihilated by another, then they had better come up with some reason to excuse that kind of beating and claiming an iffy injury might have been that reason and packing the horse off to stud just as it has been sold to Coolmore seems a bit too convenient. The horse would have ended up another Excelebration if taking on Frankel repeatedly and both CC and Excel are top class horses and on a par ability wise but just not up to Frankel's level. |
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Canford Cliffs hung whenever he was asked to run faster than he was able to sprint, his hold up style meant that he ran close to even fractions in most of his wins as the other horses were slowing down close home, in slowly run or small fields his top speed didn't compete with other horses, that's why he got unbalanced going into the dip at Newmarket because it was a downhill section that required faster running.
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The Sussex was as good as Canford Cliffs was. He was a very good miler but no wonder horse - it looked good when he got his head on front on the line but the fact is that Frankel is probably at least 10lbs better. Connections were always very protective of CC's reputation and there were some odd things said about him e.g. Hannon saying he would run in the QEII unless he scoped bad - then sure enough he scoped bad.
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Lasix is used more to prevent bleeding.
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Would have been good to see Goldikova on top form against Frankel. CC would have been a distant third.
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